Quote from Spam Nugget on February 1, 2012, 9:44 pm

Theres nothing 'wrong' with it, apart from just general microsoft hating and the fact that there are better options.

Quote from kwp21 pitts on February 1, 2012, 10:55 pm

Spam Nugget wrote:

Theres nothing 'wrong' with it, apart from just general microsoft hating and the fact that there are better options.

The best part of competing companies. If their is no competion then the game of Monopoly begins.

Quote from SLOOGOVS on February 2, 2012, 3:30 am

Wait, so I'm a community contributor now by making just one map?
What do I have to do as a community contributor, anyway?

Quote from msleeper on February 2, 2012, 4:48 am

You made a good map.

And nothing.

Quote from Lpfreaky90 on February 2, 2012, 7:19 am

WinstonSmith wrote:

Remember Sleeper's "Don't tempt fate" post above a bit?

All I'll say is that different staff members have different triggers. You sir are dangerously close to one of mine.

Masterlagger wrote:

What's wrong with Internet Explorer?

Woops! I think my comment has been misinterpreted.
The comment wasn't mend to be offensive, if I offended you sorry.

The emote of the old man was aimed at internet explorer.
Internet explorer is one of the oldest browsers around (the first IE was released in 1995) the only browsers I could find that are older are WordWideWeb (1990) lynx (1993) netscape (1994) and OmniWeb (1994)

A lot of companies nowadays still use windows xp. (sp1, sp2, sp3) this operating system was released back in 2001 so windows xp is getting outdated as well. Windows xp included Internet explorer 6. This browser is outdated, it has some serious security flaws. A lot of school/company computers still use this browser though. (If sp3 has been installed IE8 is installed and security things have improved) If you look at steam statistics you will see that even about 15% of all the people on steam use windows xp. Steam is a platform for gamers, who often require newer hardware, so in the real world this percentage will be higher.

Another thing is that internet explorer up to version 8 has NO support for HTML5 and IE often renders webpages in a different way than the other big browsers like Firefox, chrome, safari and opera. So when developing websites it usually takes a rather large amount of time to get the same result in internet explorer. Using modern techniques like HTML5 often requires you to fall back to javascript for the same graphics in internet explorer. IE8 has a ACID3 rating of 20/100, and it's the most modern version of the browser that can be used on windows xp. Where FireFox, Chrome, and Opera have 100/100 on their most recent versions.

For example take these two screenshots of my website:
IE7: http://api.browsershots.org/png/512/4b/ ... d3f3a9.png
IE8: http://api.browsershots.org/png/512/2c/ ... 9df744.png

FF3.6: http://api.browsershots.org/png/512/b5/ ... 1c53fd.png
FF9: http://api.browsershots.org/png/512/25/ ... b106b1.png

Chrome 16: http://api.browsershots.org/png/512/66/ ... 709932.png
All have same operating system but you can see a small difference:
IE has square corners, Firefox and chrome have rounded corners. This is something that can be very annoying for webdesigners. (I'll add new screenshots if they're ready )
(the repeating background in FF is because of the way the screenshots were taken.)

The final problem with internet explorer is it's speed:

This is the sunspider benchmark, a benchmark for javascript. (often used on websites) The higher the number, the longer it took the browser to complete the test, thus the slower it's javascript engine is.As you can see IE9 is a very good improvement. (IE9 is actually quite ok and seeing you used IE9 it was a useless rant against (older versions) of Internet Explorer )

THIS is the problem I have with internet explorer.
New versions like IE9 or IE10 beta are a lot better, and have better support for common standards, so there really is improvement. But as long as companies widely use windows xp I have a problem with (the old) internet explorers.

Spam Nugget wrote:

Theres nothing 'wrong' with it, apart from just general microsoft hating and the fact that there are better options.

I have no hate feelings against microsoft, I use windows 7, office 2010 and I really like those products.

I hope this most explains what I mend with the old man's emote.
Once again, sorry if I offended you in any way, this was absolutely not my intention.

Quote from TheCakeIsASpy on February 2, 2012, 10:13 am

Well I guess I wasn't lucky.

Quote from Lostprophetpunk on February 10, 2012, 3:39 pm

I know I'm late to this party (been inactive due to university), but thanks for making me a contributor. Much appreciated.

Quote from Djinndrache on February 14, 2012, 8:53 am

MasterLagger wrote:

What's wrong with Internet Explorer?

Everyone who has ever tried to make a proper somewhat-complex website (including CSS and maybe some Javascripts) will know the answer At least that's why I personally dislike IE.

SLOOGOVS wrote:

Wait, so I'm a community contributor now by making just one map?
What do I have to do as a community contributor, anyway?

Contribute to the community! This can happen in any way actually.
Community Contributors are handpicked by the staff, so there is no formula for it (apart from sending me cake!)

Quote from chimera201 on February 15, 2012, 11:44 am

Djinndrache wrote:

MasterLagger wrote:

What's wrong with Internet Explorer?

Everyone who has ever tried to make a proper somewhat-complex website (including CSS and maybe some Javascripts) will know the answer At least that's why I personally dislike IE.

As a web developer myself converting Flash to HTML5, I dislike IE (and the iPad too(the other tablets are worse than iPad but iPad made Flash dead)).
Here is a small piece of code to take a look at what developers think of IE(see bold code) if you know programming. It is about preloading images before the page loads. I got this on the internet while i was writing code on preloading. Sorry i couldn't preserve indentation of code.

[spoiler]var QueryLoader = {
/*
* QueryLoader Preload your site before displaying it!
* Author: Gaya Kessler
* Date: 23-09-09
* URL: http://www.gayadesign.com
* Version: 1.0
*
* A simple jQuery powered preloader to load every image on the page and in the CSS
* before displaying the page to the user.
*/
overlay: "",
loadBar: "",
preloader: "",
items: new Array(),
doneStatus: 0,
doneNow: 0,
selectorPreload: "#wrap",
ieLoadFixTime: 2000,
ieTimeout: "",
init: function() {
if (navigator.userAgent.match(/MSIE (d+(?:.d+)+(?:bd*)?)/) == "MSIE 6.0,6.0") {
//break if IE6
return false;
}
if (QueryLoader.selectorPreload == "body") {
QueryLoader.spawnLoader();
QueryLoader.getImages(QueryLoader.selectorPreload);
QueryLoader.createPreloading();
} else {
$(document).ready(function() {
QueryLoader.spawnLoader();
QueryLoader.getImages(QueryLoader.selectorPreload);
QueryLoader.createPreloading();
});
}
//help IE drown if it is trying to die
QueryLoader.ieTimeout = setTimeout("QueryLoader.ieLoadFix()", QueryLoader.ieLoadFixTime);
},
ieLoadFix: function() {
var ie = navigator.userAgent.match(/MSIE (d+(?:.d+)+(?:bd*)?)/);
if (ie[0].match("MSIE")) {
while ((100 / QueryLoader.doneStatus) * QueryLoader.doneNow < 100) {
QueryLoader.imgCallback();
}
}
},
imgCallback: function() {
QueryLoader.doneNow ++;
QueryLoader.animateLoader();
},
getImages: function(selector) {
var everything = $(selector).find("*:not(script)").each(function() {
var url = "";
if ($(this).css("background-image") != "none") {
var url = $(this).css("background-image");
} else if (typeof($(this).attr("src")) != "undefined" && $(this).attr("tagName").toLowerCase() == "img") {
var url = $(this).attr("src");
}
url = url.replace("url("", "");
url = url.replace("url(", "");
url = url.replace("")", "");
url = url.replace(")", "");
if (url.length > 0) {
QueryLoader.items.push(url);
}
});
},
createPreloading: function() {
QueryLoader.preloader = $("<div></div>").appendTo(QueryLoader.selectorPreload);
$(QueryLoader.preloader).css({
height: "0px",
width: "0px",
overflow: "hidden"
});
var length = QueryLoader.items.length;
QueryLoader.doneStatus = length;
for (var i = 0; i < length; i++) {
var imgLoad = $("</img>");
$(imgLoad).attr("src", QueryLoader.items[i]);
$(imgLoad).unbind("load");
$(imgLoad).bind("load", function() {
QueryLoader.imgCallback();
});
$(imgLoad).appendTo($(QueryLoader.preloader));
}
},
spawnLoader: function() {
if (QueryLoader.selectorPreload == "body") {
var height = $(window).height();
var width = $(window).width();
var position = "fixed";
} else {
var height = $(QueryLoader.selectorPreload).outerHeight();
var width = $(QueryLoader.selectorPreload).outerWidth();
var position = "absolute";
}
var left = $(QueryLoader.selectorPreload).offset()['left'];
var top = $(QueryLoader.selectorPreload).offset()['top'];
QueryLoader.overlay = $("<div></div>").appendTo($(QueryLoader.selectorPreload));
$(QueryLoader.overlay).addClass("QOverlay");
$(QueryLoader.overlay).css({
position: position,
top: "0px",
left: "0px",
width: width + "px",
height: height + "px"
});
QueryLoader.loadBar = $("<div></div>").appendTo($(QueryLoader.overlay));
$(QueryLoader.loadBar).addClass("QLoader");
$(QueryLoader.loadBar).css({
position: "relative",
top: "50%",
width: "0%"
});
},
animateLoader: function() {
var perc = (100 / QueryLoader.doneStatus) * QueryLoader.doneNow;
if (perc > 99) {
$(QueryLoader.loadBar).stop().animate({
width: perc + "%"
}, 500, "linear", function() {
QueryLoader.doneLoad();
});
} else {
$(QueryLoader.loadBar).stop().animate({
width: perc + "%"
}, 500, "linear", function() { });
}
},
doneLoad: function() {
//prevent IE from calling the fix
clearTimeout(QueryLoader.ieTimeout);
//determine the height of the preloader for the effect
if (QueryLoader.selectorPreload == "body") {
var height = $(window).height();
} else {
var height = $(QueryLoader.selectorPreload).outerHeight();
}
//The end animation, adjust to your likings
$(QueryLoader.loadBar).animate({
height: height + "px",
top: 0
}, 500, "linear", function() {
$(QueryLoader.overlay).fadeOut(800);
$(QueryLoader.preloader).remove();
});
}
}[/spoiler]