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Quote from Lorithad on December 10, 2007, 7:25 pmI still have yet to understand why somebody would actually want a mac. I mean, I've used them on several occasions. And I just can't stand them.
I mean, once upon a time they were far superior to the pc when it comes to video rendering, but now? Ever since they started adopting intel chips, They're just expensive pcs with an OS that I can't stand.
Topic split because the topic just wouldn't die. Flame on. --Hober
I still have yet to understand why somebody would actually want a mac. I mean, I've used them on several occasions. And I just can't stand them.
I mean, once upon a time they were far superior to the pc when it comes to video rendering, but now? Ever since they started adopting intel chips, They're just expensive pcs with an OS that I can't stand.
Topic split because the topic just wouldn't die. Flame on. --Hober
Quote from msleeper on December 10, 2007, 7:39 pmThey don't get viruses because nobody wants to waste their time writing them. Mac's can't even get bad users using them.
They don't get viruses because nobody wants to waste their time writing them. Mac's can't even get bad users using them.
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Quote from username on December 10, 2007, 7:52 pmMac makes things simple for the user. Mainly by taking away any semblance of choice they have.
EDIT: Fire Extinguisher: Not saying that's always a bad thing. My grandmother, for example, can't handle a single change in the response from her computer, or she calls me. Definitely a Mac person/Needs a Mac.
Mac makes things simple for the user. Mainly by taking away any semblance of choice they have.
EDIT: Fire Extinguisher: Not saying that's always a bad thing. My grandmother, for example, can't handle a single change in the response from her computer, or she calls me. Definitely a Mac person/Needs a Mac.
Quote from Hober on December 10, 2007, 8:01 pmHokay, let's not get a flame war on our hands here.
Macs are entirely about usability. You pay a premium for your computer to get something that you hopefully never need to open. For a lot of people, that's a very good thing.
Everything else is rhetoric.
Hokay, let's not get a flame war on our hands here.
Macs are entirely about usability. You pay a premium for your computer to get something that you hopefully never need to open. For a lot of people, that's a very good thing.
Everything else is rhetoric.
Quote from Volatile on December 11, 2007, 6:21 pmLorithad: the interface is the reason I like them.
But this is a really shitty, immature argument to get into. I prefer macs to Windows machines. I use Windows a lot for gaming, but the interface is unpleasant for me. That's me, you're you. Fuck your opinions on the issue, it's just not a fight worth fighting.
Lorithad: the interface is the reason I like them.
But this is a really shitty, immature argument to get into. I prefer macs to Windows machines. I use Windows a lot for gaming, but the interface is unpleasant for me. That's me, you're you. Fuck your opinions on the issue, it's just not a fight worth fighting.
Quote from Lorithad on December 11, 2007, 8:02 pmHey, if you like the interface, more power to you. I try not to participate in the flame wars between macs and pcs. My preference is known. I'm just curious as to why people that do like them, actually like them.
Hey, if you like the interface, more power to you. I try not to participate in the flame wars between macs and pcs. My preference is known. I'm just curious as to why people that do like them, actually like them.
Quote from VolumetricSteve on December 11, 2007, 11:49 pmIt's funny to me that I grew up hearing *everyone* gripe about Windows, and how if it atleast isn't getting better....it's getting crazier...
I think XP is decent, but....I've seen it go all GLaDOS before, so I'm highly reluctant to use it for anything mission critical.
A friend of mine who writes a lot of code....for whatever reason, gets locked out of his own executables...it tells him he doesn't have the privileges to run them..even if they were just running moments before....he just makes a change, compiles them again...and suddenly everything is in lock down....and that's just a recent example, i've seen windows do all sorts of insane mind-bending things before...and I'm sure that OS X has it's fair share of glitches...somewhere...I just haven't been able to find them yet. (though Apple obviously offers technical support for a reason)
I have an iBook laptop....and I couldn't be too much happier with it..it's not even a new fancy one, it's a G4...it's solid as a rock no matter how many stupid things i do to it...and it gives me all the freedoms i'd want to tinker around with things....there is a pretty strong myth that OS X is not an OS for tinkerers, this is simply incorrect. Those candy-like cute 'packages' you run instead of executables.....those are virtual folders....you can open them and mess with their contents almost exactly as you would in windows. I find that among many useful features, the laptop itself, because of OS X, is a very useful diagnostic tool for PCs...or other macs.....or..just about anything really. Built into OS X's distribution are all kinds of tools that tell you what's going on "behind the scenes" or worse comes to worse, you can just get into terminal mode which makes dos look like a walk in the park. One of my favorite tools there is a USB probe that gives you all kinds of insightful readouts on what's actually going on with the USB controller so you can tell if some devices are struggling, or if something deeply sinister is wrong. In the realm of just plain everyday usefulness, I use my apple to verify media and it can pretty much read any disc I put in it, where as windows will stare at it for ten minutes, do nothing, then give me an error while halting all of my other processes.
I'm pretty sure in the future, once I get the money, the only windows I'll have will be running on a virtual machine on a mac of mine...because for me windows serves one purpose....games....and even then, most of the games I play are universal, so for me it's pretty much a non-issue.
Most of the time I find that it's not even that ..ohh OS X is so great...let's all make sweet tender love to everything Steve Jobs says is A-ok....it's just that the alternatives just suck worse....If I never had to use windows again, I wouldn't. XP is the only one I can live with so far....2K, 98, NT, 95 ect....all...did so many stupid things, each and everyday was a war to get things to run....i'd have to set up different boot sequences just to make it so the computer could do certain things without crashing 500 times. 98, if i'm not mistaken, made the BSOD famous...yeah, 95 wasn't perfect...but....just try getting certain drivers to work in 98...go for it...watch what happens...also, having it said that XP is the only one I can stand (because it's the only one so far that does *most of the time* any of this crap it claims it can do, without making me buy a stupid upgrade to do the same crap I did before)...Vista is right out....ohhh...congratulations...your network code FINALLY doesn't suck, congrats...it only took...what...over 15 years to get that minor issue out of the way? That's more of an embarrassment than it is an accomplishment of any kind. But above all.....consider this...
What do people use computers for? on average...email..myspace type crap....music...movies....games....sometimes work....and of course....porn.....
I'm reasonably certain that this list of tasks hasn't changed in the slightest in the past ten years....
So, our hardware has seen incredible advances, major breakthroughs in parallelization and energy efficiency...not to mention the positively ludicrous number of cores we have in a single desktop PC now...
What does Vista do? What do these arrogant pricks expect of us with all of their amazing technology.....easily TWICE the system requirements of XP....and what's it doing for us? DX10? That's it? We've waited..through all of their crap....for DX10...only to find that of course..the only way to use it is to buy more of their crap to play the same old games (gameplay wise) with bloom shaders that make me want to gouge my eyes out.
So, after all of their reworking of the core of the OS, and adding in all this fancy alpha shaded crap that serves little to no purpose, which they pretty much exclusively stole the ideas from Sun Microsystems Java OS and stuff Apples been working on for a while......Microsoft's system requirements reccomend 2GB of ram...and REQUIRE a 3d accelerator.
It's a desktop operating system. ....WHY....does it need 2GB of ram?
Is that evolution? Is that improvement? Doing the same old crap with what would have been a supercomputer just 7 years ago....
It's not about Apple being great...it's about me not wanting to stab myself in the face with a bronzed set of antlers every time I hear about what Microsoft refers to as "advancement".
My dream machine? the atomic bomb. screw computers.
/rant
It's funny to me that I grew up hearing *everyone* gripe about Windows, and how if it atleast isn't getting better....it's getting crazier...
I think XP is decent, but....I've seen it go all GLaDOS before, so I'm highly reluctant to use it for anything mission critical.
A friend of mine who writes a lot of code....for whatever reason, gets locked out of his own executables...it tells him he doesn't have the privileges to run them..even if they were just running moments before....he just makes a change, compiles them again...and suddenly everything is in lock down....and that's just a recent example, i've seen windows do all sorts of insane mind-bending things before...and I'm sure that OS X has it's fair share of glitches...somewhere...I just haven't been able to find them yet. (though Apple obviously offers technical support for a reason)
I have an iBook laptop....and I couldn't be too much happier with it..it's not even a new fancy one, it's a G4...it's solid as a rock no matter how many stupid things i do to it...and it gives me all the freedoms i'd want to tinker around with things....there is a pretty strong myth that OS X is not an OS for tinkerers, this is simply incorrect. Those candy-like cute 'packages' you run instead of executables.....those are virtual folders....you can open them and mess with their contents almost exactly as you would in windows. I find that among many useful features, the laptop itself, because of OS X, is a very useful diagnostic tool for PCs...or other macs.....or..just about anything really. Built into OS X's distribution are all kinds of tools that tell you what's going on "behind the scenes" or worse comes to worse, you can just get into terminal mode which makes dos look like a walk in the park. One of my favorite tools there is a USB probe that gives you all kinds of insightful readouts on what's actually going on with the USB controller so you can tell if some devices are struggling, or if something deeply sinister is wrong. In the realm of just plain everyday usefulness, I use my apple to verify media and it can pretty much read any disc I put in it, where as windows will stare at it for ten minutes, do nothing, then give me an error while halting all of my other processes.
I'm pretty sure in the future, once I get the money, the only windows I'll have will be running on a virtual machine on a mac of mine...because for me windows serves one purpose....games....and even then, most of the games I play are universal, so for me it's pretty much a non-issue.
Most of the time I find that it's not even that ..ohh OS X is so great...let's all make sweet tender love to everything Steve Jobs says is A-ok....it's just that the alternatives just suck worse....If I never had to use windows again, I wouldn't. XP is the only one I can live with so far....2K, 98, NT, 95 ect....all...did so many stupid things, each and everyday was a war to get things to run....i'd have to set up different boot sequences just to make it so the computer could do certain things without crashing 500 times. 98, if i'm not mistaken, made the BSOD famous...yeah, 95 wasn't perfect...but....just try getting certain drivers to work in 98...go for it...watch what happens...also, having it said that XP is the only one I can stand (because it's the only one so far that does *most of the time* any of this crap it claims it can do, without making me buy a stupid upgrade to do the same crap I did before)...Vista is right out....ohhh...congratulations...your network code FINALLY doesn't suck, congrats...it only took...what...over 15 years to get that minor issue out of the way? That's more of an embarrassment than it is an accomplishment of any kind. But above all.....consider this...
What do people use computers for? on average...email..myspace type crap....music...movies....games....sometimes work....and of course....porn.....
I'm reasonably certain that this list of tasks hasn't changed in the slightest in the past ten years....
So, our hardware has seen incredible advances, major breakthroughs in parallelization and energy efficiency...not to mention the positively ludicrous number of cores we have in a single desktop PC now...
What does Vista do? What do these arrogant pricks expect of us with all of their amazing technology.....easily TWICE the system requirements of XP....and what's it doing for us? DX10? That's it? We've waited..through all of their crap....for DX10...only to find that of course..the only way to use it is to buy more of their crap to play the same old games (gameplay wise) with bloom shaders that make me want to gouge my eyes out.
So, after all of their reworking of the core of the OS, and adding in all this fancy alpha shaded crap that serves little to no purpose, which they pretty much exclusively stole the ideas from Sun Microsystems Java OS and stuff Apples been working on for a while......Microsoft's system requirements reccomend 2GB of ram...and REQUIRE a 3d accelerator.
It's a desktop operating system. ....WHY....does it need 2GB of ram?
Is that evolution? Is that improvement? Doing the same old crap with what would have been a supercomputer just 7 years ago....
It's not about Apple being great...it's about me not wanting to stab myself in the face with a bronzed set of antlers every time I hear about what Microsoft refers to as "advancement".
My dream machine? the atomic bomb. screw computers.
/rant
Quote from msleeper on December 12, 2007, 12:16 amThanks to whoever split this topic.
Apparantly Mac runs a unix-based OS or something, which isn't surprising because I fucking that GNOME and X-Windows stuff. It's so... unfriendly to someone who doesn't give a fuck about linux.
Thanks to whoever split this topic.
Apparantly Mac runs a unix-based OS or something, which isn't surprising because I fucking that GNOME and X-Windows stuff. It's so... unfriendly to someone who doesn't give a fuck about linux.
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Quote from Hober on December 12, 2007, 12:29 ammsleeper wrote:because I fucking that GNOME and X-Windows stuff.You heard it here first!
But I'm kinda confused here. I mean, GNOME is supposed to be super-user friendly. I'm a KDE guy myself, and I'd guess you are too on your CentOS box.
(Let's get linux into this mud wrestling!)
You heard it here first!
But I'm kinda confused here. I mean, GNOME is supposed to be super-user friendly. I'm a KDE guy myself, and I'd guess you are too on your CentOS box.
(Let's get linux into this mud wrestling!)