[WIP] Infomercial map
Quote from Duffers on November 13, 2007, 11:44 pmWell, after going through hell to set up the opening sequence (it doesn't seem like much, but this is my first map ever in Hammer, and it was a pain to do something like this), I'm done with the basics of this map. At the moment, I'm looking for some feedback on how the gameplay of the map is.
IMPORTANT;
- I'm aware there's no lighting. This will be added quite shortly.
- I'm aware the beginning and ending serve no purpose. They will when I implement voices.
- I'm aware that the texturing is tacky. Like I said, this is a basic draft. It will be re-textured.
- Feel free to comment on how the gameplay could be improved, but keep it to the gameplay &/or large issues, please.
- Also, I'm planning on replacing BOTH doors in the map. Don't worry about that.dload.php?action=file&file_id=93
Thanks in advance.
Well, after going through hell to set up the opening sequence (it doesn't seem like much, but this is my first map ever in Hammer, and it was a pain to do something like this), I'm done with the basics of this map. At the moment, I'm looking for some feedback on how the gameplay of the map is.
IMPORTANT;
- I'm aware there's no lighting. This will be added quite shortly.
- I'm aware the beginning and ending serve no purpose. They will when I implement voices.
- I'm aware that the texturing is tacky. Like I said, this is a basic draft. It will be re-textured.
- Feel free to comment on how the gameplay could be improved, but keep it to the gameplay &/or large issues, please.
- Also, I'm planning on replacing BOTH doors in the map. Don't worry about that.
dload.php?action=file&file_id=93
Thanks in advance.
Quote from youme on November 14, 2007, 12:20 pmThe platform [spoiler]you slide onto[/spoiler] near the end has a nodraw texture
there are way too many places where it becomes possible to [spoiler]loose your companion cube[/spoiler] and have to suicide
remember - forcing the player to kill themselves is a golden nono. killing the player by them failing to make a jump or something is ok, but a player should never be put in a situation where the only way they can continue is to suicide or load an older save. In otherwords you need a get out clause or something to give you more [spoiler]WCCs[/spoiler] i suggest the first because the latter removes the [spoiler]'compainion-ness' of the WCC[/spoiler]
over all the map is kind of easy with the exception of the first challenge wher you are [spoiler]suddenly dropped into the paths of three turrets, which is mean because the first time the player isnt expecting anything to happen.[/spoiler]
in the room with the button [spoiler]you can use the turret to get onto the platform whilst leaving the cube on the button, I suggest making the steps slightly taller, so you can jump up to them from a WCC but not a turret[/spoiler]
the final bit is frustrating because [spoiler]I suicided so many times trying to complete it with me WCC with me and then found out i dont need it past a certain point - add a suitable end for the WCC![/spoiler]
but none the less, a good start
The platform
there are way too many places where it becomes possible to
remember - forcing the player to kill themselves is a golden nono. killing the player by them failing to make a jump or something is ok, but a player should never be put in a situation where the only way they can continue is to suicide or load an older save. In otherwords you need a get out clause or something to give you more
over all the map is kind of easy with the exception of the first challenge wher you are
in the room with the button
the final bit is frustrating because
but none the less, a good start
Quote from Duffers on November 14, 2007, 12:35 pmI already hove some ideas on how to improve it, like [spoiler]Railings at the points where it's easy to lose the companion cube in the water[/spoiler], or [spoiler]an emancipation grill designed to kill turrets and nothing else[/spoiler].
Also, there will be alot of voice clips to give obvious instructions [spoiler]as to what is supposed to be done with the WCC[/spoiler], and [spoiler]What happens at the beginning. Trust me, the beginning was a lot worse. You started right in the line of fire of the turrets and died almost instantly[/spoiler].
Thank you for the feedback though, you revealed a few things I didn't think of.
I already hove some ideas on how to improve it, like
Also, there will be alot of voice clips to give obvious instructions
Thank you for the feedback though, you revealed a few things I didn't think of.
Quote from youme on November 14, 2007, 12:40 pmDuffedwaffe wrote:[spoiler]Railings at the points where it's easy to lose the companion cube in the water[/spoiler]oh I didnt do that, I [spoiler]left it on the button after firing a portal through the small gap, went through to the water and then placed another portal[/spoiler]
as well as [spoiler]just before the slide i left it in the corridor, dropped down to the top of the slide and couldnt get it again[/spoiler]
also [spoiler]I dropped it down the slide and then had no way of grabbing it whilst sliding[/spoiler]
and if you don't need it by that point make it clear and/or [spoiler]destroy it[/spoiler]
oh I didnt do that, I
as well as
also
and if you don't need it by that point make it clear and/or
Quote from Duffers on November 14, 2007, 12:53 pmI guess I just assumed since it's a WCC it would make sense to carry it with you.
Edit: Also, [spoiler]you're not supposed to take it with you through the fling at the ramp, you're supposed to roll it down and come back for it at the end of the glass platform[/spoiler].
I guess I just assumed since it's a WCC it would make sense to carry it with you.
Edit: Also,
Quote from Lorithad on November 14, 2007, 1:34 pmJust finished the map. Not at all what I was expecting. You didn't try to sell me didly squat. Where's the hair in a can? Where's the super blender? Or the knives that just won't dull!? WHERE!?
The map seemed unnessesarily large. Lots of open space where the player can mess around in. At times I was looking around for a place to go.
The companion cube, I took it everywhere I went. And I'm glad I did, as if I did not, i'm pretty sure I would not have been able to get it back.
You mentioned a [spoiler]ramp fling[/spoiler]. I'm pretty sure I did that wrong.
[spoiler]When you stand at the bottom of the ramp, you can just barely see the portalable area at the end of the glass walkway. I just portaled to that, and took my cube with me.[/spoiler]One thing I found slightly frustrating: [spoiler]The various sets of stairs that you need to the WCC to go up; They're very thin. Not enough room for you and the WCC to be on comfortably. I mean, yeah it can be done. But you need to struggle with it to get it into just the right spot. Otherwise it'll fall off. I can understand wanting to put a little challenge into things. But they're stairs.[/spoiler]
There was also a [spoiler]Step up type portal (I think it was the last one that you need to do.) That I for some reason just had a hard time with. I'm quite familiar with this type of technique, it's actually one of my favorites. But this one, I just always had a rough time starting it. I think you might want to lower the bottom step, or raise the top step. So you can gain a bit more air in your first step-up.[/spoiler]
Other than those gameplay aspects, the rest of the things that I noticed were pretty much aesthetic;
Impossibly thin floors, Platforms that seemingly just float on the map, constant use of the same texture.
And you've already stated that you're working on some of the textures/lighting etc.Overall, I'd say that you did an amazing job for your first map.
Edited to fix spoiler tag mistakes.
Just finished the map. Not at all what I was expecting. You didn't try to sell me didly squat. Where's the hair in a can? Where's the super blender? Or the knives that just won't dull!? WHERE!?
The map seemed unnessesarily large. Lots of open space where the player can mess around in. At times I was looking around for a place to go.
The companion cube, I took it everywhere I went. And I'm glad I did, as if I did not, i'm pretty sure I would not have been able to get it back.
You mentioned a
One thing I found slightly frustrating:
There was also a
Other than those gameplay aspects, the rest of the things that I noticed were pretty much aesthetic;
Impossibly thin floors, Platforms that seemingly just float on the map, constant use of the same texture.
And you've already stated that you're working on some of the textures/lighting etc.
Overall, I'd say that you did an amazing job for your first map.
Edited to fix spoiler tag mistakes.
Quote from Duffers on November 15, 2007, 10:41 amI made some major changes around the map, and it'll be done bieng re-worked by about... 7:00 EST tonight.
Also; When the lighting is done, I plan to have the companion cube on a pedestal with very epic lighting around it, then when you take it away form the pedestal the lights are killed and the room becomes fully lit. Would this be a good idea?
I made some major changes around the map, and it'll be done bieng re-worked by about... 7:00 EST tonight.
Also; When the lighting is done, I plan to have the companion cube on a pedestal with very epic lighting around it, then when you take it away form the pedestal the lights are killed and the room becomes fully lit. Would this be a good idea?
Quote from youme on November 15, 2007, 11:20 amDuffedwaffe wrote:Also; When the lighting is done, I plan to have the companion cube on a pedestal with very epic lighting around it, then when you take it away form the pedestal the lights are killed and the room becomes fully lit. Would this be a good idea?if you do it well, and don't have any areas of pitch black before or after, then it could be really awesome. the trouble is getting cubemaps for before and after, I don't know if you can have two cubemaps for one env_cubemap and then swap them.
remeber, don't use dynamic lights, just turn normal lights on and off
if you do it well, and don't have any areas of pitch black before or after, then it could be really awesome. the trouble is getting cubemaps for before and after, I don't know if you can have two cubemaps for one env_cubemap and then swap them.
remeber, don't use dynamic lights, just turn normal lights on and off
Quote from Duffers on November 15, 2007, 10:11 pmNew-ish version posted. Same idea as before, textures and lighting are crap. Looking for gameplay feedback.
New-ish version posted. Same idea as before, textures and lighting are crap. Looking for gameplay feedback.