Quote from Lorithad on November 10, 2007, 6:25 pm

I really didn't like this map all that much. In fact, I didn't even beat it.

These are the things that I did notice before I decided I didn't like the map:
I'm just going to put my entire review of the map in a spoiler tag, cause in explaining why I dislike the map, I have to go into details about the puzzles. So if you haven't played yet, give it a shot before reading what I've wrote. That way, your opionion won't be biased by my views.

[spoiler]At the start of the map, we're presented with our beloved companion cube.
Then you expect us to position the cube from one portal to another so that it falls in a small hole and lands on a button. This is easy enough I suppose, except you can't actually see the button in question when you are positioning the cube. You just need to hope you've got it in the right spot before letting it go. Also, if you do it wrong, it is possible to have the cube stuck on the glass above the button, but in a spot that you are unable to grab it to move it. So you need to restart the map.

Once the button is pressed, the metal wall preventing you from going through the portal you put the cube in moves up a bit. Thus, allowing you to go through the portal, and follow the cube. Easier said than done. My first attempt at this, it took about 40-80 tries to get myself onto the hole. The second attempt(you'll understand in a sec), maybe 15-20.

Once you do manage to get to the cube, you can drop down and walk through an emancipation field. Seeing as how you gave us a companion cube, you'd think you could take it through the field. Nope. Companion cube gone. Cue flashbacks of the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator, and the tears that were shed the first time I was forced to kill my friend for the sake of the project.

At that point, I realised that there were no autosaves. Autosaves are very important, but since we haven't REALLY had anything that would warrant them yet, I'll let you off the hook. I did however, load anyway to see if I could prevent my friend from dying. Nope. You're a monster.

In the next chamber, you need to go up a flight of stairs, and somehow get past a hole on a walkway. Again, easier said than done. I tried several times, all combinations of jumps, air crouching, side strafing, etc.
This is where I gave up.

In short, this map isn't about portals at all. It's about fitting through tiny holes and jumping places. If you want people to play it, at least make the jumps feasible.[/spoiler]

Quote from Helix_Snake on November 10, 2007, 6:40 pm

Lorithad, [spoiler]you are doing the second room completely wrong. If there are parts of the room that seem completely useless, maybe you should rethink your strategy. I made the clues to what you're supposed to do in the second room painfully obvious, and yet you still didn't get it. See that gigantic freaking arrow? There's a reason that's there. I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but geez, I was afraid the maps would be too obvious and I am totally shocked by your inability to finish it.

Also, in the first room, the only reason you're finding it hard is you're trying it the same way over and over. That puzzle was designed to show that it matters which way you make the ceiling portal; you have to make the portal so that the "gap" that the moving panel creates is next to the hole. When the panels move, you're supposed to go around and make the ceiling portal in the opposite direction. You really should think about what would make putting the cube/yourself in the hole easier, instead of trying the same thing over and over when it doesn't work.[/spoiler]

Quote from Lorithad on November 10, 2007, 7:04 pm

I have no problem being called an idiot with regard to that second room. I can't figure it out. The only thing that I could see obviously wasn't right.

I'm curious to see what other people think though. Usually I can figure out a room within a reasonable ammount of time.

Quote from Helix_Snake on November 10, 2007, 7:22 pm

Everything in that second room is there for a reason, [spoiler]including the fact that there's a lighthole in the ceiling shining a red L on the floor.[/spoiler]

That should be a big enough hint. Also:

[spoiler]You don't have to kill the WCC, you can just leave her resting on the button. :p[/spoiler]

Quote from Lorithad on November 10, 2007, 7:28 pm

Its actually not enough of a hint helix. I've got the map loaded right now. Trying anything I can think of. I have a feeling you're trying to get the player to do something that the player doesn't know how to do.

[spoiler]That L thing on the floor/ceiling? How is that supposed to do anything? When I shoot the L on the floor, it looks as though the portal projectile is being redirected. But where can you redirect it to that would make any difference? Shooting into the L has no result, as it doesn't have a portalable surface.[/spoiler]

Quote from Helix_Snake on November 10, 2007, 7:36 pm

........

[spoiler]Go up to the L, look at it, and press the use key.[/spoiler]

Quote from Lorithad on November 10, 2007, 7:46 pm

I'm sorry, but WHAT!?

[spoiler]In the game, there was never anything like that. You gave no hints at all that would imply there was an item there.

Once the L-block was in my possession, then yeah, the room was easy. Your point in failure lies in the fact that the block isn't something that you would think to pick up.[/spoiler]

I also forgot to point out that when you take the cube off the button, the metal plate doesn't return to its previous position. Not important, but doesn't follow standard game practices.

Quote from Helix_Snake on November 10, 2007, 7:53 pm

Quote:

[spoiler]You gave no hints at all that would imply there was an item there.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]You mean besides the red light and the giant freaking arrow? You tried all these things with shooting portals at it but you never even tried pressing "use" on it? I'll see what I can do to improve the button problem. Thank you.[/spoiler]

Quote from espen180 on November 10, 2007, 7:58 pm

Lohitrad: Don't be roo rude. It's a work in progress, after all.

Helix_Snake: Learn to accept critisism.