The Corrupted

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msleeper
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Posted Aug 17, 2012
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ebola wrote:
Great map. I'll provide some feedback when I have time to play it with care. Also, to all those questioning the build time, if you're fast and organized, this is achievable in 2.5 weeks. There are tons of ways to be efficient in hammer, so please everyone just focus his success instead.

I will say that from my initial impression, the map could have used a bit more playtesting in blocking phase before you detailed. The time frame was pretty short, so I understand dropping some playtest time for polish time. Again, I'll get to this time when I have time to go back and play it more slowly.

For the uninitiated, I'd like to point out that ebola was the winner of our last contest, has produced amazing Portal and Portal 2 maps, and is one of our oldest contributors.

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LambdaCore 21
144 Posts
Posted Aug 17, 2012
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congratulation Pit, there was no doubt you would win something! the map sure is badass ^^
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Moth
225 Posts
Posted Aug 17, 2012
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MASSIVE congratulations !!
Seriously, I LOVED this map, and it deserved to win.

Aesthetics are top notch, the atmosphere, lighting, everything. Aside from the unintended solution, and the 'getting stuck' bug mentioned by BEARD!, Valve had better give you a job right freaking now!

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Pitkakorvaa
200 Posts
Posted Aug 17, 2012
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Brainstone wrote:
Perfect map, except:

In chamber 3, there are the numbers for the laser relays messed up.
there is twice times 4 dots: On a relay and on the catcher.
so I guessed number four would be the laser catcher, becauseI saw that 1+2+4 turned the fizzler off.
Opposing to that, above the exit door was a four. But the exit was opened by the laser relay, not the laser catcher. That cost me around 10 minutes, because I was trying to do something impossible there. (I though the catcher would open the exit.)

Hope you're not confused.

Oh, and thanks for using my poster.

Yeah I those dots. They were messed up before final compile, and I thought I fixed them, but seems like I managed to mess them up again

Will fix them.

ebola wrote:
Great map. I'll provide some feedback when I have time to play it with care. Also, to all those questioning the build time, if you're fast and organized, this is achievable in 2.5 weeks. There are tons of ways to be efficient in hammer, so please everyone just focus his success instead.

I will say that from my initial impression, the map could have used a bit more playtesting in blocking phase before you detailed. The time frame was pretty short, so I understand dropping some playtest time for polish time. Again, I'll get to this time when I have time to go back and play it more slowly.

I'll wait for the feedpack happily

Also by reading your .pdf note about Patent Pending and how to make nice puzzle helped me alot while designing the puzzles

And super big thanks to everyone!! It's been fun.

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ebola
59 Posts
Posted Aug 18, 2012
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I didn't have time to go through the whole thing again, so I'm going to provide feedback up to the third chamber. Generally, great pacing in terms of difficulty and action. I never felt overwhelmed by the game at any point. The detailing and transitions were immersive and felt consistent to the game world. The puzzles were fun to solve. The biggest issues the level has are of readability and accessibility. Mind you I think you have already gone well beyond the average modder in this respect, but if you improve in this area, you will close the gap between amateur level design and professional. I can already tell you have a good design perspective and think as a potential player rather than yourself. I would just apply that line of thinking to every aspect of the level.

Feedback in spoiler tags
||Polish feedback
Some of these will seem nitpicky, but that's because you don't have many major issues. Besides, recognizing and fixing small things separates the great from the good. These are things that a player may not inherently notice individually, but can sense in the quality overall.


The stairs that come up cuts off half the path unexpectedly. I think it would be better to just push the stairs back a little, or you can try to trigger the stairs to rise earlier.


The composition here is a bit weird. The two cameras share a lot of the same space in their viewing arcs. The inset lights are lighting a space that wouldn't logically need lighting (too high up). It didn't bother me too much, but I would disable the cameras to fit the visual theme.


It looks like you can make this jump, but its actually not as easy as it seems. I don't think there is a good reason why it cannot be closer like the jump from the other side.


I want to inspect the button in the distance and the space around it. The angle I have into that space is unnecessarily small. I would love for it to open up a bit more. I understand I can just portal there, but being able to analyze the space from one spot helps spatial awareness. The button itself could also stand out more.


I had to use a pretty advanced move to see what's hiding in the corner. If I had not done that, I would have to rely on the fact that there was something I must do over there, because you built it. That makes the player aware that there is a designer that is stringing you along. It's less satisfying to solve a puzzle by trusting that each white panel serves a purpose, than to just see the puzzle piece itself and understand why you would go there. Make the player want to do something instead of forcing him to do it.



To move the cube back, you have to shoot the portal from the first angle, and move to the second angle to see where its going. There isn't a whole lot of space to work with here. It's hard to tell that the cube would either fall into the slime or be emancipated unless you remember the layout of the level. Let the player have a better view so that he can shoot and watch the cube from the same spot. Then, you wouldn't need more room to maneuver in the first place. Yes, the button is right there, so the player can just hit it again, but players are unpredictable. They might get themselves into a situation where they have to repeat parts of the puzzle.


I loved this right here. You forced the player to drop directly into a tractor beam from a transition area. Not only is it interesting, but it also tells the player that there is a tractor beam in the chamber immediately. Jumping off the beam also lines you right up to the exit door. Perfect.


The faith plate kind of blends into the tiles. It's easy to accidentally walk over it without even seeing it and die. I would separate or indicate it visually.


The tilting of the panels here seem really artificial. The flatness of the textures don't help either.


Here is another readability issue. I could almost see the button. It's teasing, since there is a window, but you can't see what's inside. Again, the player has to trust you and just go there. I would show the player what's inside from this angle.


Another readability issue. I have to go onto the very edge of the platform, risking falling off in order to see the super buttons. The angle I have to see them at is very steep as well, making it feel "neck-straining"


Great work here. The cube drops into tractor beam as long as the beam is used to cross the slime. Catching a cube with the tractor has been done so many times, that it really isn't interesting as a puzzle without some kind of twist.


Good stuff again here. The window allows the player to see the space outside, but prevents him from taking the cube out. Great solution to visibility issues of the laser field.


This is an unnecessarily obscure and tiny target to hit. Artificial difficulty is an outdated design philosophy.


I can see 14 signs from here. Holy bananas. This is confusing. I'm not sure how you can fix this, but I would fix it.

Puzzle design feedback
I had a lot of fatigue from playing with lasers in chamber three, and to my dismay, there were lasers again in chamber four. Honestly, lasers are just one of those mechanics that induce a bit of mental stress, but that doesn't mean you can't help as a designer to prevent that.

The detailed transitions did a great job of making feel I am progressing in the game. Very rewarding.

I love that you used stages to your more complex puzzles, so that you don't have to solve it all at once. While daisy-chained puzzles are interesting because it tests your memory, it is frustrating when you fail accidentally and have to repeat steps.

Unless you're specifically targeting a hardcore audience, I would love to see more subtle guidance in the level like spotlighting, contrast in visuals, well-timed music or stingers, etc that help the player solve the puzzle with an invisible hand.

The puzzles all focus on the traversing of space, which is what Portal is all about. Great job there. I dislike puzzles that focus on timing, accuracy, type-matching, because they feel out of place in the game world. These things can complement the core-gameplay but should not be the driving playstyle.

For the most part, uniqueness is a very important factor in puzzle design because the satisfaction of puzzles come from the solution. While Portal tried to augment that with funny dialog, flying through the air with plates, and killing turrets, it still was not enough to overcome boredom from repetition. Playing any level twice is not really all that fun, which is not true for lots of other games. Repetition is a killer more so in puzzle games than any other genre. I think you achieved a good amount of uniqueness. If you have more time, I would add something epic to not only give the level even more uniqueness but ties the chambers together. For example, shutting down GladDos with the lasers was a great oomph to the behind the scenes part of the campaign.||

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Mr Waterhandle
88 Posts
Posted Aug 21, 2012
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Ebola, what did you think of the final chamber? There's a part where you ||have to use a light bridge to go around and come out on the other side. There's a button to press that you could reach only with the light bridge, only there's a fizzler in the way. The trick is to go through the light bridge portal and go on the bridge from the other side. This is pretty much exactly a copy of one of the puzzles in your Patent Pending. There's also a turret area in that chamber that feels very alike. Likewise, the puzzle where you hit the two buttons with the cubes is very similiar to that part in PP, only this time you use a tractor beam instead of a light bridge. The destroyed theme and the third chamber with the combination of a fizzler field and a lazer field on the same side also add to the deja vu feeling, although I would call this chamber different enough.

It's not that I think this is a bad map, far from it, but I find it slightly discouraging that it won the competition, despite its high amount of polish (yet not perfect), because what was being polished was a just-enough alterted remake of last years winner. I don't think it's that original...||

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ebola
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Posted Aug 21, 2012
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While I do see your argument and concede that most of the puzzles rely on the same relationships between the mechanics, I do not set the qualities on which a level is judged nor am I a judge in this contest. It really isn't my place to speak on this regard, though I do believe originality is the only way to truly supersede the best. Otherwise, people will always compare the new to the old. For people who want to be original, more power to you. For people who want to build on previous works, no shame in borrowing. The game industry works the exact same way.

That said, it does not change my opinion of the level. The build quality is very good. The pacing is mostly spot on. The aesthetics are very good for a custom level. The readability and accessibility is not on par with the rest. It's obviously a work that someone put lots of thought and time into. Even if you're right and it is just an altered remake, it is pretty difficult to remake it in this quality. That I can appreciate.

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jonatan
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Posted Aug 25, 2012
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Was not able to complete it. I think chamber 3 is glitched? I had the one- and twodot fired but the laser gate didn't disappear. See attached image. Maybe I'm understanding the logic incorrect?
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Jason
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Posted Aug 26, 2012
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jonatan wrote:
Was not able to complete it. I think chamber 3 is glitched? I had the one- and twodot fired but the laser gate didn't disappear. See attached image. Maybe I'm understanding the logic incorrect?

I can confirm this problem.

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wstrika
200 Posts
Posted Aug 26, 2012
Replied 25 minutes later
You need to have the laser hitting the catcher on the wall to the left, as well as the other nodes.
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wstrika
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Posted Aug 26, 2012
Replied 29 minutes later
Did the latest episode on this map, since it won the contest.

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Pitkakorvaa
200 Posts
Posted Aug 26, 2012
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jonatan wrote:
Was not able to complete it. I think chamber 3 is glitched? I had the one- and twodot fired but the laser gate didn't disappear. See attached image. Maybe I'm understanding the logic incorrect?

You're right ... I fixed up all the labels, un-intended, etc. but fucked up the laser gate
I will fix it tonight. Or I have fixed it already, I just need to compile and reupload it. >.<

Edit:
It's hidden until I've re-uploaded the file.

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wstrika
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Posted Aug 26, 2012
Replied 27 minutes later

Pitkakorvaa wrote:
jonatan wrote:

Was not able to complete it. I think chamber 3 is glitched? I had the one- and twodot fired but the laser gate didn't disappear. See attached image. Maybe I'm understanding the logic incorrect?

You're right ... I fixed up all the labels, un-intended, etc. but fucked up the laser gate
I will fix it tonight. Or I have fixed it already, I just need to compile and reupload it. >.<

Edit:
It's hidden until I've re-uploaded the file.

I was able to complete it with the intended solution on the old map.

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Pitkakorvaa
200 Posts
Posted Aug 26, 2012
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Alright, I've updated the map and it should be visible now and fully functional !
Good night.
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scywow
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Posted Sep 13, 2012
Replied 18 days later
Hey there!

I used to visit this site to get new maps for my beloved Portal 2, but since this "ingame editor" came out, I find it a little bit difficult to add the new maps.

Is there a way to bypass this "Steam-Subscribe" thing? Can I download the map files directly and add them manually, as you did in the old days? That was waaaaay faster than this. Now, I have to restart Portal 2 everytime I want to add a new map/level, and the ingame download process takes at least 5-10 minutes. (With 20 Mbit/s). The manual download/install was about 1-2 minutes (with installation).

So is there any other way to do it?

Thanks

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wrathofmobius
216 Posts
Posted Sep 13, 2012
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Unfortunately not unless the author decides to upload their map elsewhere. Try adding items to your queue before you launch Portal 2 - that makes it so you don't have to relaunch it.
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scywow
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Posted Sep 14, 2012
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wrathofmobius wrote:
Unfortunately not unless the author decides to upload their map elsewhere. Try adding items to your queue before you launch Portal 2 - that makes it so you don't have to relaunch it.

Ah, okay, thanks anyway Yeah, I do that right now but, I'd prefer the good old "copy & paste into the Maps folder" way. That was faster, easier, and as I remember the files were hosted on this site, you didn't have to share it on Rapidshare or something like that...

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Mek
459 Posts
Posted Sep 23, 2012
Replied 8 days later
Just finished it. All the praise that has been already said, applies
I only had problems with the third chamber, I couldn't figure out how to finish it, it was way too complicated with all those lasers and signs...
The fourth chamber was easier for me.
I was also looking for downloadable archive to find out this map is only available throught Steam's workshop. Is there a specific reason for that? Because I like to keep the maps I have played and enjoyed, and also mirror them on my website if the other sites have trouble for some reason (it has happened in the past).
Anyway, thanks for making this, I enjoyed it!
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Jackie
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Posted Nov 02, 2012
Replied 1 month later
Hi,

I have just read through the tutorial (pinned), but I simply cannot find out how to download and install the map from that steamcommunity page. can you please tell me how to download it? I also looked ad Meks Mirror, unfortunately, I do not find the package there

Thanks a lot

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wrathofmobius
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Posted Nov 02, 2012
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Click the green "+Subscribe" button below the big image on the steam community page. Then, launch Portal 2, click "Community Test Chambers", then "Single Player", then "The Corrupted."