ACTA/cybersecurity discussion

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kizzycocoa
975 Posts
Posted May 31, 2012
ACTA has just failed 3/3 of our European parliament committees.

I am now very, very happy

On the flip side, in america, the House passed CISPA, and the senate is planning to vote on similar legislation. sucks to be american I guess.

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Keklolzor
165 Posts
Posted May 31, 2012
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Kizzycocoa wrote:
sucks to be american I guess.

Isn't the thing that it affects everyone?
I might be very wrong, but I think it's something like that the government have access to all information stored on any server in the US.
I might be wrong though, haven't read about it that closely.

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Jomonay
294 Posts
Posted May 31, 2012
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Keklolzor wrote:

Kizzycocoa wrote:
sucks to be american I guess. > Isn't the thing that it affects everyone?
I might be very wrong, but I think it's something like that the government have access to all information stored on any server in the US.
I might be wrong though, haven't read about it that closely.

I'm pretty sure I read about some giant facility they're building in America whose whole purpose is to store a lot the information passing through US servers.

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Pilchard123
334 Posts
Posted May 31, 2012
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Kizzycocoa wrote:
ACTA has just failed 3/3 of our European parliament committees.

I am now very, very happy

On the flip side, in America, the House passed CISPA, and the senate is planning to vote on similar legislation. Sucks to be American I guess.

ACTA closer to failure? YUSS!

As for CISPA, it does seem that various parts of America think they own the entire Internet.

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p0rtalplayer
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Posted May 31, 2012
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From what I understand, people are better prepared for CISPA now and we're trying to get it to not pass in the Senate.

But yeah, it'll really suck if it does pass. Like, REALLY suck.

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Lemonosity
363 Posts
Posted Jun 01, 2012
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If it does it's not just America that's affected.
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kizzycocoa
975 Posts
Posted Jun 01, 2012
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Obama created Stuxnet.

I am lost for words o_o

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Groxkiller585
652 Posts
Posted Jun 01, 2012
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Kizzycocoa wrote:
Obama created Stuxnet.

I am lost for words o_o

:pbody_facepalm:

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Jomonay
294 Posts
Posted Jun 01, 2012 , Edited Jun 02, 2012
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Kizzycocoa wrote:
Obama created Stuxnet.

I am lost for words o_o

The article actually wrote:
...first authorized by George W. Bush...When Barack Obama came to office, he [u:1jmqzxfq]continued[/u:1jmqzxfq] the program.

Another article wrote:
It was an ingenious exploit that seemed obvious in retrospect, since it attacked such a ubiquitous function. It was also one, researchers would soon learn to their surprise, that had been used before.

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p0rtalplayer
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Posted Jun 01, 2012
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I doubt the presidents really had anything to do with it. Someone from the defense division was probably like "we're gonna do this computer thing that'll make Iran easier to fight, k?" and they were probably like "k lol"
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Jomonay
294 Posts
Posted Jun 02, 2012
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p0rtalplayer wrote:
I doubt the presidents really had anything to do with it. Someone from the defense division was probably like "we're gonna do this computer thing that'll make Iran easier to fight, k?" and they were probably like "k lol"

Truth

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kizzycocoa
975 Posts
Posted Jun 02, 2012
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Jomonay wrote:

p0rtalplayer wrote:
I doubt the presidents really had anything to do with it. Someone from the defense division was probably like "we're gonna do this computer thing that'll make Iran easier to fight, k?" and they were probably like "k lol">
Truth

actually, once he learned of the stuxnet leak, he pressed on, despite knowing the dangers of continuing were higher.

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Jomonay
294 Posts
Posted Jun 03, 2012
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Kizzycocoa wrote:

Jomonay wrote:

p0rtalplayer wrote:
I doubt the presidents really had anything to do with it. Someone from the defense division was probably like "we're gonna do this computer thing that'll make Iran easier to fight, k?" and they were probably like "k lol">>
Truth>
actually, once he learned of the stuxnet leak, he pressed on, despite knowing the dangers of continuing were higher.

Source?

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vanSulli
994 Posts
Posted Jun 03, 2012
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The Article wrote:
Obama was at least aware of the likely answer—yes—but pressed ahead, even accelerating the Olympic Games program.

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Jomonay
294 Posts
Posted Jun 03, 2012
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Kizzycocoa wrote:

actually, once he learned of the stuxnet leak, he pressed on, despite knowing the dangers of continuing were higher.

The article isn't clear (to me at least) as to the quote given corresponds to pre-discovery or post-discovery of Stuxnet. As for his ultimate purpose (hindering Iran's nuclear program), I understand where he is coming from; it's worrying that a country with a renowned animosity for Israel is rapidly developing nuclear research facilities. However, I find it a little hypocritical to deny Iran nuclear weapons when the U.S itself has a large possession of nuclear weapons, although they have shown remarkable restraint. Also, their research, while damaging and unethical, has given us valuable insights into nuclear weapons' capabilities that shape our opinions of their usage today.

TL;DR Nuclear weapons complicate things too much

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p0rtalplayer
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Posted Jun 03, 2012
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Jomonay wrote:

TL;DR Nuclear weapons complicate things too much

Further reading: The Cold War

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Pilchard123
334 Posts
Posted Jun 03, 2012
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See also Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
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Jomonay
294 Posts
Posted Jun 03, 2012
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Pilchard123 wrote:
See also Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

See also, Peter Sellers.

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