Here's where the wiki stands right now:

• We have some articles with some good content that isn't on the VDC
• Some users would like to flesh out the content on the wiki by having external links to other wikis
• Other users say that the wiki should be more closed format (list of articles on very specific tutorials, that don't link to external pages)
• Most of us agree that we should have some form of tutorial page or another.

What NEEDS to happen:
- Nothing, we're on a very flexible time scale here

What we WANT to happen:
- Eventually, we want a nice place where users of our site can find tutorials on how to use hammer and do advanced stuff that's beyond the puzzle editor.

Now, discuss. Don't bring personal matters into it, it'll just make things worse. That include any outside affiliations or personal grudges.

Jomonay wrote:
Who's in charge of the whole wiki operation?

At the moment, Sven and I have admin accounts on the wiki. I have a lot of other stuff to be working on, though, so I'd be glad to give over official control to someone who I can trust to be competent with it.

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[:7wlvmt5v]Beginner's area: Tutorials on how to set up the SDK, making brushes/entities, and just a general introduction on how to work Hammer. These tutorials should be more oriented towards mapping for Portal 2, meaning that certain concepts don't need to be taught, while others should be reinforced. One thing that we can do that the VDC doesn't is provide step-by-step instructions on how to build a testchamber, from start to finish. Kinda like building a model airplane!
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[:7wlvmt5v]Specific topics: Tutorials on detailing for specific environments, level-flow, architecture, implementing custom puzzle elements, and anything else we can think of. This section is the most important and would be ever-expanding.
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[:7wlvmt5v]Reference: VDC links. Basically this.[/:m:7wlvmt5v][/list:u:7wlvmt5v]

Keklolzor wrote:
As I wrote in one of the other threads: I've played a little with wikis and might be able to help if it's needed.
For the content: I think I can contribute with various basic stuff
A little question: Where is the wiki?

You can't access it from the forums yet, but from the main site you can.

Camera wrote:

Keklolzor wrote:
As I wrote in one of the other threads: I've played a little with wikis and might be able to help if it's needed.
For the content: I think I can contribute with various basic stuff
A little question: Where is the wiki?>
You can't access it from the forums yet, but from the main site you can.

I literally have no idea why that's happening, both the forums and the main site have a reference to header.php, but it will only update on the main site. Anyone familiar with phpBB and know why that might be happening?

she has had much experience with wikis, particularly starting and maintaining them. I have shared with her our situation, and my own personal fears.

I highly recommend it's at least skimmed for reference.

Kizzycocoa wrote:
I have talked to Wyn, and here is what she has to say.

she has had much experience with wikis, particularly starting and maintaining them. I have shared with her our situation, and my own personal fears.

I highly recommend it's at least skimmed for reference.

Wow! Thank you for asking her

Those tips sound pretty good. I like the Dota 2 wiki front page style, too.

Kizzycocoa wrote:
I have talked to Wyn, and here is what she has to say.

she has had much experience with wikis, particularly starting and maintaining them. I have shared with her our situation, and my own personal fears.

I highly recommend it's at least skimmed for reference.

I appreciate the effort, and I will take that advice into consideration, but once again I'd like the remind you that the affiliation with theportalwiki was only speculative.

That aside, here's what I got from your conversation
- Need specific rules for guide structure, and a unified naming system
- Main page with a listing of all the articles
- Interwiki links (I'll look into this, it seems she's referring to a specific mediawiki thing)
- If we do affiliate, make sure there are linkbacks

I don't necessarily agree completely with all of those, while others were things I was already planning to do.

Just as an aside, is there anyone who thinks they can take up responsibility for managing the wiki? I'm not sure I can split myself between 3 different aspects of the site, and the News section has been completely abandoned while I've been focusing on the file database and wiki.

p0rtalplayer wrote:
is there anyone who thinks they can take up responsibility for managing the wiki?

cough cough

Oh, hello!

Kizzycocoa wrote:

p0rtalplayer wrote:
is there anyone who thinks they can take up responsibility for managing the wiki?>
cough cough

Oh, hello!

While you're definitely one of my considerations, I'd prefer to have someone who can also be an active writer and knows their stuff about mapping, so they can be an effective editor. Once it's more bustling I'd be happy to put you in a spam/prevention quality-assurance position though.

p0rtalplayer wrote:

Kizzycocoa wrote:

p0rtalplayer wrote:
is there anyone who thinks they can take up responsibility for managing the wiki?>>
cough cough

Oh, hello! >

While you're definitely one of my considerations, I'd prefer to have someone who can also be an active writer and knows their stuff about mapping, so they can be an effective editor. Once it's more bustling I'd be happy to put you in a spam/prevention quality-assurance position though.

Ah. Writer, I guess I'm not. Though to manage also means all of the images, templates, spam etc.

Most of the wiki people in our ranks don't do writing, as we're so busy. If this site takes off, you may find admins slack off due to the work.

Of course, we have an IRC bot that relays real time edits. But even then, our admin team have lost the will to contribute, and simply moderate. Just felt I should state that in particular, even though we're miles away from there at the moment.

The last major thing I did was add little images to the footers of the mobs/items/blocks. Since then, I've been struggling to edit. I've grown sick of Minecraft actually, and I believe it's the wiki strain.

A moderator will moderate this wiki easy. As it stands, I don't expect spam for at least three months, nor for activity to increase to the point of regular spamming in that time. Any one of us could probably fit the role, if it is wanted.

But moderators that ALSO contribute majorly to the wiki? That's hard stuff. Wyn only does that as she's paid to do it, and on many occasions, as a friend, I've withstood rants from her about it, as she does what we're doing, but way more regularly. I'd give the new moderator four months? Maybe five? Before they switch to pure moderation.

I'm not saying it'll be bad. But in time, the moderators will lose touch with the subject. This much is assured, unless the moderators are contributing code, which does not wear out as fast as games do. It gets worse with games naturally dying, with the typical games usually dying less than a year after release.

I hope that's cleared up that the issues I have with making the admin a contributor. It would not manifest until later down the line, rather than your selling your soul away if you say yes.

p0rtalplayer wrote:

Kizzycocoa wrote:

p0rtalplayer wrote:
is there anyone who thinks they can take up responsibility for managing the wiki?>>
cough cough

Oh, hello! >

While you're definitely one of my considerations, I'd prefer to have someone who can also be an active writer and knows their stuff about mapping, so they can be an effective editor. Once it's more bustling I'd be happy to put you in a spam/prevention quality-assurance position though.

Me & Kek? We're both good writers, (I'm better of course) and we both know about mapping and other stuff.
We'd be eager to - if not manage the wiki - help out and earn your respect, aqquire women, fame and last, but not least - money.

So, where do we sign up?

t3x wrote:

p0rtalplayer wrote:
While you're definitely one of my considerations, I'd prefer to have someone who can also be an active writer and knows their stuff about mapping, so they can be an effective editor. Once it's more bustling I'd be happy to put you in a spam/prevention quality-assurance position though.>
Me & Kek? We're both good writers, (I'm better of course) and we both know about mapping and other stuff.
We'd be eager to - if not manage the wiki - help out and earn your respect, aqquire women, fame and last, but not least - money.

So, where do we sign up?

Chariots, chariots. Whether someone or someone better is better than someone thinking someone is better is under discussion behind locked doors, I would, as t3x wrote, be interested in contributing* too.
* assuming we earn respect, acquire women, fame and last but not least, money, too

Kizzycocoa wrote:
I thought they repelled those things

Nope, that must have been just you.

Kizzycocoa wrote:
Wait, admins get fame, money and lots of women? I thought they repelled those things

Why do I need lots of women?