Heya there,

So...over the past couple of days...all hell has been loose and the Kaiser Chiefs did indeed "Predict a Riot".

BBC wrote:
Some 16,000 police officers are being deployed on London's streets in a bid to prevent a fourth night of rioting, with support drafted from 30 forces.

Businesses in some areas closed early in a bid to avoid the kind of violence that spread through London on Monday.

David Cameron has recalled Parliament for Thursday in response to the "sickening scenes", which prompted unrest in other cities.

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The riots have also spread to Birmingham and also in Manchester.

This all started from a peaceful protest, where nothing was wrong about it, all polite people. The original protest was regarding a 29 year old man being shot and killed by a police officer. However, later on it was revealed that the man maybe could not have fired any bullets at all.

Whilst searching for more news about the riot, I came across this. This is where people who are rioting help a man up, only to rob him of his backpack items.

What are the police doing about it? Not very much. I keep seeing footage of people breaking into shops and destroying cars etc, however, no police are approaching or doing anything to stop it, they are just watching.

It annoys me where I have to live in a country where the justice is just too soft.

Wow, that is awful.

Since this topic is up, I guess I ought say what's on my mind about the country I live in.
In the U.S., a lot of people are pissed off about having 2 political parties that won't properly compromise to solve the debt ceiling problem. The liberals want to increase tax on large corporations to help pay off the debt. The conservatives however, want to make more spending cuts, which also includes lots of people getting fired from work. The conservative absolutely refuse to increase tax on the rich people.

I'm not trying to say that this is worse. What happened in London and the other cities is really terrible. I'm just mentioning this since there is a topic that would fit in it.

The US political situation has absolutely nothing with a bunch of foreign hoodlums burning down buildings and throwing rocks at ineffectual police officers.

This may have started as an actual protest, but at this point it's just people looting and being dicks because there's nothing stopping them.

As a fellow British citizen, I can empathise with you, and along with all the other stuff going on in the world, I'm really not that proud to even be human. However, you have to look at this from the other angle; for every one person who's doing this for the right reasons, there are probably three or four in it just to cause trouble. I'm not saying there aren't innocent people, but at this rate, things are going to get even more out of proportion than they are already; what these people are doing is responding to a man's untimely death by causing another man's untimely death (someone was shot last night in London) and, if this carries on, there may be other lives taken, from fires, guns or just bare hands. You have a point about the police not being quite as optimised in their performance as they could be, but they're doing all that they can; it's just that they're spread out too thin right now to act in some areas. If we had police force at the scene of every crime committed, we'd have a single leg or maybe an eyeball rolling around there, because we simply do not have enough manpower, and it's being whittled down constantly; over a hundred police and five police dogs were injured just last night. Furthermore, what was the Tottenham riots has become the London riots, and now it's just the UK riots, with people in Manchester (never the quietest of places), Bristol and more joining in just for fun. Really, if you want to make a point to the government, just stop, and talk. Please.

...wow, that was fun to write.

msleeper wrote:
This may have started as an actual protest, but at this point it's just people looting and being dicks because there's nothing stopping them.

This. I don't live in the UK so I really can't say much other than what I've heard about on Twitter, BBC America, and other news channels, but it seems like the violence that's occuring no longer has anything to do with any inciting event. It's now just idiots who think it's fun to destroy property under the pretense that they're angry at the government even though it's obvious that there's no way destroying others' lives would effect a change in this situation.

I give a lot of credit to those who are helping to clean up the cities after the riots. We need something in the universe to help balance the number of fools it contains.

Although I do not condone what they are doing I certainanly understand where they are coming from. No one should stay silent to such injustice, including the obvious Duggan cover up.

Also I can't stand my country either, its neutrality knows no bounds.

iWork925 wrote:
No one should stay silent to such injustice, including the obvious Duggan cover up.

So these kids are standing up against injustice... by looting a clothing store?

msleeper wrote:
The US political situation has absolutely nothing with a bunch of foreign hoodlums burning down buildings and throwing rocks at ineffectual police officers.

Of course it doesn't, I'm just saying that I'm not too thrilled about the country I live in either.

Back to the topic, think iWork925 meant before the peaceful protest turned into a stupid riot. Protesting about the man being shot is okay, but robbing people and stores is not.

Is it such a crime to fight tyranny AND look fashionable at the same time? jk

But seriously, their overall idea is solid but their method is way off, why rob? What does that achieve. Burn the police station down.

I wonder who's idea it was to start a riot?

Probablly alot of people, looks like lots of fun. Although I cant work out why they are stealing random crap. Worst terrorists ever.

iWork925 wrote:
But seriously, their overall idea is solid but their method is way off, why rob? What does that achieve. Burn the police station down.

That's a horrible idea. Riot violence in this case of any form isn't the answer to dealing with problems, peaceful protest is.

iWork925 wrote:
Although I cant work out why they are stealing random crap.

They're "stealing random crap" because the focus for them isn't the issue of questionable police brutality. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them don't even know much or care much about the issue. For them, it's simply an excuse to go out and be pointlessly destructive.

iWork925 wrote:
But seriously, their overall idea is solid but their method is way off, why rob? What does that achieve. Burn the police station down.

Most of these dumb cunts don't even believe in this stuff, they're just in it for the free stuff and so they can smash things into bits

You will see that most of the people who are actually committing these offences, are on benefits. None of them actually know the valid reason why all this is happening.

I'm happy to see that people are helping to clear up what has been done.

Another shocking act was that of Mr Reeves business being burnt to the ground, whilst he was celebrating his 21st wedding anniversary.

Also, iWork925...they have no real goal or achievement. It's just the fact that they do it because they can.

Also, to those of you who think it's just the youth of the communities that are the main cause of this, are wrong. Most youths who are seen around the scenes of the violence and rioting, are simply there to watch and be there to witness it, as they have nothing else to do, or they have come back to london to get caught up in the rioting.

The riots got the stage where football matches are being postponed. All of this is continue to spread.

However, Twitter and other social media companies are now taking the brunt of the blame.

Like I said, whatever idealistic spark started all of this has long since faded, and at this point the people who are "rioting" and looting are just human garbage who have an easy excuse to burn down buildings and rob stores.

And nobody to stop them.

These underclass scumbags are rioting at the perceived injustice of spending cuts on public services, and yet they can afford to own Blackberries, can riot on a weekday evening, i.e. none of them work, leech of the British state and suck our country dry.

I live in London so this is affecting me, the town I live in was shut down for the entire of yesterday evening and filled with dozens of riot police.

And the whole "ineffectual" police thing is just you Americans way of dick waving, if the Police don't use guns, the criminals don't bother using guns. It explains why America has so many gun crimes, it's an arms race between criminals and law enforcement. The British just use fists, bats and clubs like any self respecting scumbag would.

I keep telling my eurofriends that the reason there wouldn't be looting like this over here is because store owners are armed and will defend their property. But as for the police being ineffectual, I'm just shocked their not using beanbag or rubber ammo, or way more tear gas, or one of those insane sound cannons they used at G20 to disperse protesters. In all of the videos I've seen, they just stand in front of things and watch while the rioters burn cars and other buildings or go looting nearby. And when pressed, they flee.

I think the notion that police should bare-fist brawl criminals is insane at best, and I get that you are trying to be nationalistic and say the UK is better than the US because you don't have gun crime or whatever - but that's irrelevant. They should be protecting themselves as well as stopping the people doing the looting. Getting into the fray is putting them unnecessarily in harm's way when they could use shotguns with beanbag ammo to stop the looters in their tracks.

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I'm really not that proud to even be human.

Perhaps we should look into the option of storing our personality in AI cores.

Humanity's stupidity does not surprise me anymore. People are far more likely to surprise you with their ignorance rather than their intelligence.

The riots remind me of the movie "Children of Men".
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iWork925 wrote:
No one should stay silent to such injustice, including the obvious Duggan cover up.

I'm sorry? I'm lead to believe that Duggan was holding a firearm at the time, whilst being in certain knowledge that the police were following him. You show a gun to an armed police officer in the UK it's not going to end well, any idiot can see that. Even if they were covering up how vicious they were, there is a certain degree of accountability.

Also, the riots in Birmingham/Manchester ect are all copycat riots, purely because people want to loot stuff. There's been peopole trying to start a riot near where I live in the city of Leicester, just because they want to smash windows and steal stuff. No other reason.