Portal Life [WIP]

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E1025
104 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Map name: Portal Life 01/02/03
Email: [email protected]

NOTE: THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED TO A WIP. Please help by reporting bugs. I shall release patches for the WIP as we go along. Download the main file below!

dload.php?action=filefile_id=150

Thank you!

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Beer-Me
137 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 32 minutes later
Are you sure all your pre set portals are fully working, I cant get out of the room with boxes.
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E1025
104 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 1 minutes later

Beerage wrote:
Are you sure all your pre set portals are fully working, I cant get out of the room with boxes.

Which room are we talking about and what area?

Edit: If your talking about the second area, you don't need to take the boxes through the upper area.

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taco
504 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 56 minutes later
I would probably move this to WIP.

Let's start at the pre-beginning:
The line: "image" "Portal_Life01_ico" (in your Portal_Life bns file) should be: "image" "E1025/Portal_Life01_ico". The images lines for the other two maps should also be changed similarly.**

Now the maps:**
(you should include the node graph files in your rar)

Any time I started having fun with these maps, that fun was thrown to the curb and then stomped on, and it if started to recover, it was shot. Repeatedly. In the face.

Approximately 100% of the textures are misaligned.
You can see the backs of the fizzlers in the 1st room - looks bad.
On my first play though, I ran into a total of 3 game-ending issues (mostly to do with triggering).
A.I. disables if you load a save, disabling all the turrets.
I have NO IDEA what half the buttons do - and yet I beat the thing...

And finally, I leave you the questions I asked myself most while playing:
Portal conventions are messed up - why are their still auto-portals when I'm holding the portal gun?
Auto portals can be made on metal?
Auto portals can sometimes be fizzled?
Fizzlers only sometimes destroy cubes? What?
Missiles only destroy some types of glass?
You can make portals on some glass?
Auto portal emitters sometimes need to explode before they work properly?
The third map doesn't exit out to the portal menu?

I could probably add more, but you get the idea.

That may sound like a lot of negative (because it is) but there are actually some well thought out puzzles in here - the maps just need a lot of refinement.

taco

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E1025
104 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 17 minutes later
sigh... You have no idea how down I feel now. Let me explain some things...

"Approximately 100% of the textures are misaligned"

Give examples.

"On my first play though, I ran into a total of 3 game-ending issues"

Go into detail, what is happening? Can you give me some advice?

"Portal conventions are messed up"

Examples?

"A.I. disables if you load a save, disabling all the turrets"

Is this only in the first map?

"I have NO IDEA what half the buttons do"

Examples?

"Auto portals can be made on metal?"

Doesn't matter, it only matters if portal from the portal gun can be made on surfaces

"Auto portals can sometimes be fizzled"

They fizzle when you are done with them.

"Fizzlers only sometimes destroy cubes"

I made a sign saying you can put the cubes through the fizzlers

"Missiles only destroy some types of glass"

the missiles will only break glass you are meant to go through. If you think I'm wrong, gives examples please.

"Auto portal emitters sometimes need to explode before they work properly"

I was doing that fo effect in the second map and at the end of the third. Seeing things all always going wrong in arp-science.

"The third map doesn't exit out to the portal menu"

Yes it does, I put a command there for disconnect. Some thing is wrong here.

"Any time I started having fun with these maps, that fun was thrown to the curb and then stomped on, and it if started to recover, it was shot. Repeatedly. In the face."

This is my main concern, what is runing the experiance, or is that just what you have listed?

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Beer-Me
137 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 29 minutes later
I'm getting a rather large amount of lag at parts of the game, my pc isnt crysis level but its definitely not bad.

I'm getting lots of errors in console...
func_breakable (func_breakable) at (-176.000 -3231.500 1041.000) using obsolete or unknown material type.
When I try to get the turret to damage glass, this comes up.

Button problem.
Resized picture

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E1025
104 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 31 minutes later

Beerage wrote:
I'm getting a rather large amount of lag at parts of the game, my pc isnt crysis level but its defintiylu not bad.

I'm getting lots of errors in console...
func_breakable (func_breakable) at (-176.000 -3231.500 1041.000) using obsolete or unknown material type.
When I try to get the turret to damage glass, this comes up.

Thanks I'll check that out, any other problems you encountered?

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taco
504 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 21 minutes later
Don't feel too down. There may be a number of issues, but most of them can probably be fixed without too much trouble.

E1025 wrote:
Give examples.

Most of your floor/wall/ceiling textured start and end mid-tile.

E1025 wrote:
Go into detail, what is happening? Can you give me some advice?

The first game-ending issue happen in the first map right before going into the room with the huge wall-crushers: if you go right up to the little grate that you are supposed to shoot a portal though to get into that room, you can touch a trigger and become stranded. This can probably be fixed by moving the trigger volume.

The second is in the room with the incinerator that you are supposed to jump into. I just ran into the room, jammed all the buttons and got stranded. My guess is glitched triggers.

The third (which you can actually get out of, though is annoying) takes place in the room with the 2 office rooms that have the energy pellet puzzle in their ceilings. If you portal up into one of the sides and then put both portals in the room, it can be painfully hard to place a portal back into the lower room. To fix this I would recommend making there only room enough for one portal in the upper room.

E1025 wrote:
Is this only in the first map?

Nope. Any time there is turrets, if you load a save, they become disabled.

E1025 wrote:
Examples?

There are numerous buttons that open door or something similar that have no indicator strips, so when I hit a button, all I hear is a beep. It a bit frustrating not knowing what happens.

E1025 wrote:
I made a sign saying you can put the cubes through the fizzlers.

I must have missed the sign, and since it is a pretty major portal convention, it made the map feel broken.

E1025 wrote:
Yes it does, I put a command there for disconnect. Some thing is wrong here.

You also disable the crosshair from showing, but it never gets re-enabled which means that if a player doesn't know the console command to enable the crosshair again, every map they play from then on will have no crosshairs. Very annoying.

E1025 wrote:
This is my main concern, what is runing the experiance, or is that just what you have listed?

Yea, it's pretty much the sum of it all.

Additional:
There are a few times where you use "blocks" of glass (like that one crawling turret puzzle) and it is very hard to tell what is and what isn't glass. I recommend only using glass when it makes sense and always fame your glass to make it more obvious.

In that same room (the glass + turret puzzle) you are using linked pairs of portals while the player has the gun. I'm not a fan of that at all - but maybe that's just me.

When you have recessed floor or ceiling lighting, you should fill the little gap with an invisible brush so that portals don't go below/above the floor/ceiling.

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E1025
104 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 25 minutes later
Thank you for your response, I'm working on these issues now.
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Deviant
17 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
Replied 6 hours later
I didn't have major problems with Portal Life 1 & 2. However, for some reason in Portal Life 1, my fps was on an average of 40. Mainly in the room with all the turrets hiding behind the glass, but I was getting bad frames throughout the whole map. I generally average 3x that.

Another minor problem I had with those two maps was I didn't know when they ended. In Life 1, I reach a room where the walls were closing in and there was a pit you were forced into. I reloaded five times thinking it was a timed puzzle that had a way out. In Portal Life 2, I reached some kind of cafeteria which I assumed was the end, but again, it seemed like it was another puzzle that needed a way out.

Portal Life 3 gave me trouble. First off there are two problems with the textures, right in the entrance of the missile turret room.

These textures are crossing. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/cd_rom/portal_life030000-1.jpg

There is a leak in the corner of that same wall.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/cd_rom/portal_life030001-1.jpg

The other problems I had with the map revolves around the third room with the three big red buttons. I managed to strand myself inside of it by porting into it, then shooting the other portal inside. I couldn't get back to where I came from, and I couldn't see any means of proceding. Perhaps you should move the wall out a little further so you can reach a portable wall.

After I reloaded, I managed to strand myself again, but this time it was outside of the room. I ported in, thinking I needed the two boxes from the previous puzzle, I brought them into that room and placed them on two buttons. Without thinking, I went back outside of the room and used both portals. The fizzler turned back on, and I couldn't get back in.

Overall the maps were good, they just need some more work.

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Ralen
67 Posts
Posted Jan 21, 2008
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Deviant wrote:
In Life 1, I reach a room where the walls were closing in and there was a pit you were forced into. I reloaded five times thinking it was a timed puzzle that had a way out.

It is a timed puzzle with a way out. There's a hole in the ceiling that you have to fling vertically to get through.

Deviant wrote:
In Portal Life 2, I reached some kind of cafeteria which I assumed was the end

I thought the same thing. Either that, or I thought that I should have kept the portal gun.
Once I finallly figured how to get out, and made it to the room with the incinerator behind glass and the 5 pedestal buttons, I got completely stuck. There's no indication as to what the buttons do, and they apparently do different things depending on which order you press them in. But you can only press each one once, so if you screw up you have to reload. I eventually just noclipped through the incinerator, but ended up giving up not long after that.

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E1025
104 Posts
Posted Jan 22, 2008
Replied 3 hours later
I need to fix the buttons after the cafe, sorry about that...

"Mainly in the room with all the turrets hiding behind the glass"

I'll try to fix that, it is quite laggy in there.

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foobar9999
5 Posts
Posted Feb 10, 2008
Replied 19 days later
I'm still in Portal Life 01 in the room with the lot of sentry guns. I can't figuire out what to do. Maybe the solution is easy, may be not.

What keeps me away from getting an idea of solving the puzzle is I can't see clearly what is glas and where does it end.

If I walk between the sg's my person keeps walking in dug mode, but I don't know why. In the angled glas in front of the path there seems to be a recangular hole in the glas but I can't go though.

I can't shoot portals to certain portal-enabled eras because my shoot ends somewhere on an wall i can't visually see.

Very strange.

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E1025
104 Posts
Posted Feb 10, 2008
Replied 10 hours later
That problem has already been fixed in the patch I'm working on. The patch will be ready early this week, many bugs and problems have been fixed and preformance has increased in Portal_Life01 by 70%-100%
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Hyakkidouran
84 Posts
Posted Feb 10, 2008
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I thought those maps where kinda fun even if some points need improvement.

Most was already said, but here is an important point, in map 2 :

In the "no portal gun" sequence, there is a puzzle with switches to go in an incinerator : if you mess up, switches don't reinitialize, which means you are struck. That happens quite easily. VERY BAD.

Other points :

||Also the cafetaria is a nice idea, but it looks quite bland, try to improve visual appeal. Maybe using HL2 maps as references.

The turret glass corridor in room 1 is nice but somewhat too long. It is quite hard to put the cubes correctly, so force the player to do so in front of 4 turret openings is too much. Excellent but too long and gets annoying near the end.

map 3 is by far the best. The test is quite interesting and requires some thinking (even if you could make more clear that all fizzlers here are cube-friendly).

The ending is a nice touch.||

Globally those maps where fun. But they require slight improvements to become release quality. Good luck!