[WIP] Manic Mechanic

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HMW
806 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
This is my first custom map for Portal. It's still in beta, so it may contain a bug or two.

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I've done some simple maps for other games before, but this is the first one posted on the internet. Let me know what you think!

EDIT: A release version of this map is available:
http://forums.thinking.withportals.com/manic-mechanic-t1639.html

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A.M.M.D.
69 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
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first download you mAP LOOKX COOL
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reepblue
894 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
Replied 4 minutes later
This deserves a try. . :smile:
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Aldéz
221 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
Replied 1 hour later
Wow, not bad. I'm impressed by the entity set-up behind this map. The puzzels are a little overwhelming at first, because you have to learn the new mechanics. I'll give a more thorough review when I've reached the end.
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compherm
58 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
Replied 47 minutes later
BRAVO! One of the single most entertaining portal maps I've ever played. I was expecting it to be way too complicated from the screenshots, but I was pleasantly surprised. It was tough, I'll give you that, but it was not "impossible portal move" tough, it was "now what the hell do I do now" tough. I was not expecting it to be nearly that long, and there several moments, where I was like, "holy shit, that was awesome!"
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Skinnycap
79 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
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Very nice map!! but to hard for me:( i come to that big room with the three balls, and then i got stuck:P

I really liked you way how you did that so you can't cheat by set a cube betwine that door at the first room:D thats epic!

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soad667
86 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
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Wow, this brought Portal to a next level. A really unique map. :surprised:

I'm at the point with the cables and took a break to come here and post.
So far, i didn't encounter any problems or glitches of any kind.

Keep it up buddy, you have an instant classic there...
Can't wait to see it 'officially' released. :wink:

Btw, one small thing. Are you going to create a thumb for your Bonus Maps folder?
Just curious, cause a great map like this sure deserves the best presentation, right? :cool:

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reepblue
894 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
Replied 9 minutes later
Well,

I loved all the way you used Sources Physics with portals, a new way of thinking but, I always seem to be lost. With the second room, you give all these puzzles but I had no idea what was the exit nor how to open it. Hope you make the exit and give a hint on a solution.

Work on this map more. You have new and creative Ideas, but you navigation through them are a bit missing. I'll play it again to see if I missed anything.

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PortalFan77
432 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
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Good map, I have a few things to point out.

The spot where you get the advanced gun.

http://www.zilefile.com/files/5033_gvvxv/wm.jpg

Well if you crouch like this.

http://www.zilefile.com/files/5034_nmjxn/wm1.jpg

You can press E and grab it.

http://www.zilefile.com/files/5035_g12da/wm2.jpg

making this useless

http://www.zilefile.com/files/5036_tbmpm/wm3.jpg

Also I know this is after I got the advanced gun, but I loved this timed chamber.

http://www.zilefile.com/files/5037_yvlfy/wm4.jpg

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reepblue
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Posted Feb 15, 2009
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Nice find Portalfan. :smile:
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Kiavik
81 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
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Physics didnt really work for me on the last puzzle. The button press was supposed to release 3 balls, am I right? well it released only one. Also that paddle thing was too flimsy, it seems like a tiny breeze was enough to have it go all over the place. If I were you I'd redesign that puzzle removing an heavy use of physics, it just doesnt work well this way.
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compherm
58 Posts
Posted Feb 15, 2009
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Kiavik wrote:
Physics didnt really work for me on the last puzzle. The button press was supposed to release 3 balls, am I right? well it released only one. Also that paddle thing was too flimsy, it seems like a tiny breeze was enough to have it go all over the place. If I were you I'd redesign that puzzle removing an heavy use of physics, it just doesnt work well this way.

The trick is to make it so the ball goes through again, thereby releasing another ball. It is up to you to figure out how to do this.

Further spoiler: If you still can't get it, try looking all the way to the top of the room

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monkeyman
100 Posts
Posted Feb 16, 2009
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great map!

i got stuck though...
in the area underneath the elevator and with the button inside the glass case thing...
the door opened and i walked through with a ball, then the door closed behind me... :/
all the walls r metal, and pressing the button didnt appear to do anything inside the room... i couldnt get out of it, and there was no way to put anything on the buttoin from inside the room... :/

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again
47 Posts
Posted Feb 16, 2009
Replied 6 hours later
kudos to you good sir or madam! this is by far the most innovative portal map i have played in a very long time! very ingenious use of physics, really made me use my brain, instead of the run-of-the-mill 'fling here', 'tunnel here', 'fight some turrets'....etc.
very entertaining and challenging, still cant work out the last puzzle.
the design is also very good, the space feels free-flowing and almost non-linear, and the room design really adds to the overall feel of the game.
very awesome.
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Aldéz
221 Posts
Posted Feb 16, 2009
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I finally beat it! :razz: Not sure how though, the last big physics puzzle suddenly worked without me making any obvious changes :confused:

The map is very innovative, but also confusing. To goal of the puzzles are not clear in many cases. So instead of figuring out how to solve the puzzle, I had to figure out what the puzzle was about, which is quite frustrating.

It is possible to get stuck in the last physics puzzle. If you jump into the fan pipe and the door closes, you can't get out. Also, if you place a portal behind the glass pipe, just under the ball spawner, and get out from it, you get stuck in the pipe.

The bottom line is that it's a great map already, but I wouldn't hurt with some minor adjustments before the release version. Keep up the good work!

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HMW
806 Posts
Posted Feb 16, 2009
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Thanks for all the comments! I'm glad that so many people have tested my map.

Skinnycap wrote:
I really liked you way how you did that so you can't cheat by set a cube betwine that door at the first room:D thats epic!

So you've found my little "easter egg" :twisted: I know i shouldn'd watch so many cartoons... :biggrin:

For everyone who can't figure out what the "Balls Out" puzzle is about?
It's kind of like those "Incredible Machine" games. You complete the machine by setting up your portals, plugging in the two cables, and then release the balls. If you've done it right, each ball will move through the system in turn, set off the next ball via that seesaw mechanism and end up getting shot through the fan tube to the collector behind the control room. (It can sometimes fail due to "unlucky physics", despite (or thanks to? :twisted: ) my best efforts...)

soad667 wrote:
Btw, one small thing. Are you going to create a thumb for your Bonus Maps folder?

Yup, that's planned for the release version :smile:

reepblue wrote:
With the second room, you give all these puzzles but I had no idea what was the exit nor how to open it.

Ald?z wrote:
To goal of the puzzles are not clear in many cases. So instead of figuring out how to solve the puzzle, I had to figure out what the puzzle was about, which is quite frustrating.

This is the main reason why i've released it as [WIP] first: striking the balance between hand-holding / challenging / frustrating. Apparently, i need to add a some clearer directions.

PortalFan77 wrote:
The spot where you get the advanced gun.
[...]
Well if you crouch like this.
[...]
You can press E and grab it.

:notwant:

One for the "D'oh!!" list. I totally didn't think of that. (With or without portals.) Thanks for the hint!

Kiavik wrote:
Physics didnt really work for me on the last puzzle. [...] [T]hat paddle thing was too flimsy, it seems like a tiny breeze was enough to have it go all over the place.

I spent a long time fine-tuning that thing, and it worked quite well at the end. (On my computer at least...) Anyone else having this problem?
I'm thinking about adding a trigger-activated "helper motor" to the paddle wheel or making the whole thing non-physics altogether.

monkeyman wrote:
in the area underneath the elevator and with the button inside the glass case thing...
the door opened and i walked through with a ball, then the door closed behind me... :/

Hmmm... Some wire loose there. That door is only supposed to close temporarily when you press the small button on the side. At the same time, the red hatchway above the button should open so you can drop the ball in. (From the outside, while you're inside. Good luck...)

I don't remember having taken a ball in there lately, since that's not neccessary, so that's something to try.

Ald?z wrote:
It is possible to get stuck in the last physics puzzle. If you jump into the fan pipe and the door closes, you can't get out.

Sounds like a great place for one of those "you got stuck due to no fault of the enrichment center" lines from GLaDOS. Will work on it.

Ald?z wrote:
Also, if you place a portal behind the glass pipe, just under the ball spawner, and get out from it, you get stuck in the pipe.

That's a known quirk of portals near displacement surfaces ('cause that's what the pipes are made of). I thought i'd nailed all of those. Apparently not.

Well, it looks like there is plenty of work for me to do to bring this map to release quality. Again, thanks to everyone who played and commented on it! I expect to have a release version within a few weeks. I'll keep watching this thread for new comments in the meantime, of course.

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soad667
86 Posts
Posted Feb 16, 2009
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Incredible Machine? :wink:
Hehe, when i first entered the balls puzzle, i looked right to the top and an old game came to my mind, Marble Drop. One of my favourite puzzles back then and its whole concept was really close to the one you used in this room. So that helped me to figure out pretty fast what to do. And of course loved that room.
Btw, i guess i was lucky, cause the physics were pretty solid for me.

Oh, about the 'easter egg' Skinnycap mentioned too, i did it three times to convince myself that i wasn't just... seeing things. Epic idea for sure! :cool:

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Sleepwalker
130 Posts
Posted Feb 18, 2009
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Is the last area not finished yet, because it only served up one ball for me even though there was three loaded. Btw, you can still cheat in the first room if you're fast enough and you place a portal above the doorway.
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compherm
58 Posts
Posted Feb 18, 2009
Replied 11 hours later
It is finished, read the post above in the spoiler tags.
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Aof
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Posted Feb 18, 2009
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About getting stuck in the "glass pipe" thing in the last level -
I didn't even have to use a portal near it. I simply walked up to it and got stuck inside it.