I request the unlocking of the thread, "Portal source code leaked, along with others!".

The reasons I believe this thread should be unlocked is:

• The topic is perfectly legal to talk about
• There was no illegal activity in that thread, nor any kind of links to infringing sites.
• The only reason the thread was locked were mentions of other illegal activity that a user used as trying to explain a similar, albeit more serious situation, wherein downloading a zip would be classed as illegal.

The reason I believe it was locked is:

-someone used an analogy which touched upon child abuse.

Seriously guys, that was a complete overreaction. on the MCwiki, if someone mentioned anything on a talk page like that, we'd either delete that particular message, or steer it to the right direction.

to lock the entire thread because of one analogy? that was not the way to go, and frankly, does nothing to conceal anything. the thread is still there, in black and white. a message asking to change the subject would have allowed the topic to continue, while quelling any further issues. you should not move for a direct lock on the first wrong turn.

Also, the FBI is not going investigate a site because one single lone user used a critical analogy.

So, with all respect to the admins and administration team, I request the thread be unlocked, as this is still a current news topic. and if not discussed there, no doubt will leak into other parts of the forum, such as The Founder's Duck. and that'd be so disorganised, no proper debate or updating could happen.

HAHAHA

Kizzycocoa wrote:
I request the unlocking of the thread, "Portal source code leaked, along with others!".

The reasons I believe this thread should be unlocked is:

• The topic is perfectly legal to talk about but not to steal or [u:25asab6i]reference[/u:25asab6i]
• There was no illegal activity in that thread, nor any kind of links to infringing sites. [u:25asab6i]You can be arrested for planning to commit a crime or organizing one; you were openly discussing your plans or successes with the leaked documents.[/u:25asab6i]
• The only reason the thread was locked were mentions of other illegal activity that a user used as trying to explain a similar, albeit more serious situation, wherein downloading a zip would be classed as illegal. [u:25asab6i]That wasn't why.[/u:25asab6i]

Seriously guys, that was a complete overreaction. on the MCwiki, if someone mentioned anything on a talk page like that, we'd either delete that particular message, or steer it to the right direction.

Noted.

no doubt will leak into other parts of the forum, such as The Founder's Duck.

It better not.

vanSulli wrote:

Kizzycocoa wrote:
-but not to steal or [u:175vw2he]reference[/u:175vw2he]
-b][u:175vw2he]You can be arrested for planning to commit a crime or organizing one; you were openly discussing your plans or successes with the leaked documents.[/u:175vw2he]
-[u:175vw2he]That wasn't why.[/u:175vw2he]**

1) You can talk about it at your own risk.
2) We planned to reference to, but never actually use the code. my coder specifically took the time to make all her steps legal, so other mods can use what we produce.
3)Why then?

so far, from what I've discerned, you've locked it because we're talking about how we're referencing to it outside of the forum.

To quote the rules, which the admins have provided to us:

No spam, advertising, or other solicitous posting. -This was not spam
Don't link to pirated content. If you post about it and get busted, that's not our problem. -We did not link to any pirated content
No pornography or suggestive content. -We did not post any pornography
Keep the language down. The occasional use is okay, but don't put it every third word. -Little/no swearing was used.
Please do not use innappropriate language in thread titles. -The title was appropriate.
Don't make pointless threads. Moderators will lock them at their discretion. -It was not pointless.
If you feel your thread has been wrongly locked, contact an admin for an appeal. -This is what I am doing now.
Don't be a jerk. -I have not been a jerk at most times on this forum. The times I have were completely unrelated to this subject.

I see no reason, under current rules, that the thread should be locked. The admin team have not released any rules on what is and isn't allowed in particular about discussing this subject, DESPITE stating they are discussing it elsewhere

I request the admins tell us what is and isn't allowed regarding discussion of the source leak, THEN locking the thread, rather than the reverse, which is counter-productive to the topic, and to transparency of rules.

vanSulli wrote:
It better not.

You know as much as I, it will leak, to some extent, elsewhere. It's pretty much as inevitable as Herobrine, or Cake. They will pop up. whether it is us, or a newcomer.

He does have a point about it coming up again. It would probably be a good idea to put something in the rules saying "We are aware of the source code leak, and it is not to be discussed here.". Otherwise when the site goes into full publicity mode, there will be someone that goes "o hai guyz, look at this link is portal code". To be honest, there'll be enough of those even with a warning if the Technic pack forums are anything to go by (uuuuuhhhhhh wannabe lawyers), but at least there will be an official moderation stance on it.

Pilchard123 wrote:
He does have a point about it coming up again. It would probably be a good idea to put something in the rules saying "We are aware of the source code leak, and it is not to be discussed here.". Otherwise when the site goes into full publicity mode, there will be someone that goes "o hai guyz, look at this link is portal code". To be honest, there'll be enough of those even with a warning if the Technic pack forums are anything to go by (uuuuuhhhhhh wannabe lawyers), but at least there will be an official moderation stance on it.

We used to have a No Herobrine policy. there was lots of spam.
We made a page for it, all Herobrine spam went away on all other pages, and most herobrine spam topics on the forum.

This is what the source code will likely be like.

Personally, I agree, as long as no one links to anything, should be open for discussion. Facepunch is much much worse then anything posted here, and in that thread.

I can set up another thread with a few rules in what to limit from discussion. That would mostly be links, talk about were to find the files, and who has them. Talking about how cool something that someone by anonymous did should be Ok. Facepunch is allowing users to post screens and videos, I'm sure we can just have nonsense chit-chat about it.

Does it really merit any discussion though?

NotJomonay wrote:
Does it really merit any discussion though?

Yes. For a time, this will be taboo. but after? we will have portals that is begrudgingly allowed, that improve Portal. The mod community for Portal can finally exist. This is major news.

Also, as for pictures, I believe pictures/videos should be allowed. They are not illegal to post, and infringe on nothing to watch.

Kizzycocoa wrote:

Leak helps improve Portal/mods.

I don't get how it can help anything; release anything that used the leak as a reference is illegal. I get that you can talk about siikret projects, but note the [u:34sin4gx]siikret[/u:34sin4gx].

idunno

I'm hesitant to unlock the existing thread because of the direction that it was going at the time of the lock

If another [u:jya21a1w]mod or admin[/u:jya21a1w] would like to create a new thread with some ground rules for discussion of the topic, that's fine with me.

Kizzycocoa wrote:
For a time, this will be taboo. but after? we will have portals that is begrudgingly allowed, that improve Portal.

No we won't.

The mod community for Portal can finally exist.

Sorry guys, what we're doing here doesn't exist yet.

Yeah, if Reep is willing to go through the work to keep it clean, he can feel free to unlock it/restart it.

vanSulli wrote:

Kizzycocoa wrote:
For a time, this will be taboo. but after? we will have portals that is begrudgingly allowed, that improve Portal.> No we won't.

The mod community for Portal can finally exist.>
Sorry guys, what we're doing here doesn't exist yet.

Yeah, if Reep is willing to go through the work to keep it clean, he can feel free to unlock it/restart it.

Yes, we will. It's inevitable that someone will do amazing things referencing to the code. I'm hoping NPC detection of portals. That would be very cool, and would pave the way for zombie invasions or the like in Portal maps.

also, not much work is needed to keep it clean. just no links to the source, and no relating child abuse to this leak. a simple ruleset.

Kizzy, you seem to be ignoring that downloading the code and using it at all (in any way, including refrencing) is illegal.

Here's a good way to look at it: your taking a test, and so is your friend. 'refrencing' the source code is like if you 'refrenced' your friends answers: It's cheating, and in this case it's illegal cheating.

This is not something you can just keep your opinion on, it's the law. Maybe it's ok in the UK, I have no idea (though i'd assume is isn't), but HERE, it's a problem. I personally don't want the site taken down because one or two threads mentioned code from the source code leak. I know you weren't, but making a topic to discuss it will eventually have someone post the code in it when we go live. Now there's no getting around those people who'd post it anyway, but at least we can remove any reason to post it. Making a thread to discuss it is a reason.

I also go with making a new rule about posting about the source code, as I think we need as many ways to deter from doing it as possible.

Made a new thread in the Portal section. It does not allow any referencing, posting, or sharing file. It is open for discussion, and screens of what others are doing with source of the content (images/videos) are allowed. Facepunch as a whole thread on this, and people showcasing their work. We will not allow (at least for now) our users to post their own edits, but feel free to link us to what people are doing over at Facepunch.

groxkiller585 wrote:
Kizzy, you seem to be ignoring that downloading the code and using it at all (in any way, including refrencing) is illegal.

Here's a good way to look at it: your taking a test, and so is your friend. 'refrencing' the source code is like if you 'refrenced' your friends answers: It's cheating, and in this case it's illegal cheating.

This is not something you can just keep your opinion on, it's the law. Maybe it's ok in the UK, I have no idea (though i'd assume is isn't), but HERE, it's a problem. I personally don't want the site taken down because one or two threads mentioned code from the source code leak. I know you weren't, but making a topic to discuss it will eventually have someone post the code in it when we go live. Now there's no getting around those people who'd post it anyway, but at least we can remove any reason to post it. Making a thread to discuss it is a reason.

I also go with making a new rule about posting about the source code, as I think we need as many ways to deter from doing it as possible.

If we're going for school analogies, let's at least go for on that's more accurate. Referencing to code is as ok as referencing to a text book. As long as you're remembering the methods, and don't write it word for word, it is ok.

Also, the uk has a lot better copyright laws over the USA. Honestly, your governments are pretty much run by the copyright lobby.

As for that, you're saying as trolls can post it, we should censor all discussion? That is ridiculous. Like the saying goes, haters gonna hate. Except replace hate with troll.

We should be allowed to discuss this leak. It is a current event, major news for the Portal modding community (or, what's left of it), and major VALVe related news.

Kizzycocoa wrote:

If we're going for school analogies, let's at least go for on that's more accurate. Referencing to code is as ok as referencing to a text book. As long as you're remembering the methods, and don't write it word for word, it is ok.

A student is different from another textbook company.

Kopeke wrote:

Kizzycocoa wrote:

If we're going for school analogies, let's at least go for on that's more accurate. Referencing to code is as ok as referencing to a text book. As long as you're remembering the methods, and don't write it word for word, it is ok.

A student is different from another textbook company.

Analogies are stupid, but in this one, VALVe isn't a student. If he were, why is the class all working on his engine? At best, he's the teacher, and we've snuck into the forbidden section of his library and scanned a book in there, handing it around the entire school.

Still, analogies are stupid, and I'm only just seeing that now. We're spiralling into a huge vortex of metaphor and theory.

Kizzycocoa wrote:

Still, analogies are stupid, and I'm only just seeing that now. We're spiralling into a huge vortex of metaphor and theory.

I was comparing you to the textbook company, the student was worth not nothing in my analogy, [strike:348i5k56]In the end I'm just telling you that if you get in trouble I [u:348i5k56]won't[/u:348i5k56] help you out.[/strike:348i5k56] scrap that, was rude and irrelevant; in the end I just don't want you to get the site and yourself in trouble for dumb reasons such as referencing to a source code.

Kopeke wrote:

Kizzycocoa wrote:

Still, analogies are stupid, and I'm only just seeing that now. We're spiralling into a huge vortex of metaphor and theory.>

I was comparing you to the textbook company, the student was worth not nothing in my analogy, [strike:3ueq9dha]In the end I'm just telling you that if you get in trouble I [u:3ueq9dha]won't[/u:3ueq9dha] help you out.[/strike:3ueq9dha] scrap that, was rude and irrelevant; in the end I just don't want you to get the site and yourself in trouble for dumb reasons such as referencing to a source code.

I've not touched the code, so I'm untouchable. Though I am encouraging use of the code. Encouraging =/= illegal