Emancipation grid/grill/fizzler rotation problem

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Kibate
105 Posts
Posted Jun 06, 2011
I'm using Hammer to program my first real map, everything seems easy and fine or somehow doable.
However i have a slight problem with the Emancipation grid.
I used the wiki to create it somehow(i did everything it says, except using the fizzler_dynamic world model(i created one at first but then i deleted it) NOW since i deleted it i thought this might be the problem, but since everything else works just fine i guess this is not entirely the case.(if this causes the problem, feel free to call me stupid)

ANYWAY
the problem is, i have a few E-G in my map, see here
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the purple ones are the E-G's
1 to 3 works just fine, it destroys the cube, remove portals etc.
However the problem is number4(there was a number 5 too on the other side, but i removed it to not confuse you guys)
The problem is the red area, for some reason, in the game, i can't shoot portals into that area, and when i stand inside that area i can't shoot portals to an outside place too, just as if you were standing in a grid(except it doesn't remove already existing portals, a cube is not getting destroyed in that area either)

I tried to just rotate a working grid, or manipulate the points, the problem remains the same, as if the Grid can't work on anything beside horizontal and vertical.

Do i just have to live with it, or did i do some mistake?

Now i hope there is something i can do, because i don't want to change the layout of the map AGAIN(i already did it once because, let's say, Hammers carving tool is not really the best

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ChickenMobile
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
Replied 52 minutes later
copy one of your ones that work and use the rotation menu (ctrl+M), type 45 in the Z field, test and see if this works.
It could be that grills need both sides to be parallel to each other. Only a thought :smile:
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Kibate
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
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Thanks, but i already tried that, it didn't worked
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ChickenMobile
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
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is the textures of the grill on the sides nodraw?
EDIT: Try putting skip over your grill, as this is what Valve puts over their instancse.
EDIT2: I can't get it to work either. So weird.
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Kibate
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
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I don't know exactly what you mean...
I did, according to the wiki, first made a wall(what they call brush i guess) with a noface texture
Then they said i should open the Face-edit-tool(what they call "Texture Application Tool" i guess)
They said then

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11. Select the front face of the "nodraw" brush, and the back face.

I don't know what they mean with front and back face, so i "just" selected the noface wall/brush.
Then i clicked on browse, selected the first "fizzler" texture, and clicked apply.
They said then

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Set the X to 0.13 and Y to 0.13, and then center it.

That's what i did(though i had to click on "Fit" too, because otherwise it would look very odd)

I can't just click on a single face of the wall.

[edit]

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EDIT2: I can't get it to work either. So weird.

Maybe it never worked like that to begin with and no one bothered to try it out? Come to think of it, all valve portal maps are very squarish

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ChickenMobile
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
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Is there no angled emancipation grills anywhere in Valve's maps? I'm sure that if there is they would have some kind of cheekish workaround.
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Marlovious
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
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Try making the brush first and putting it in place, then tying it to a Trigger_portal_cleanser.
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ChickenMobile
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
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Marlovious wrote:
Try making the brush first and putting it in place, then tying it to a Trigger_portal_cleanser.

That doesn't seem to be working either. I guess the only solution is to make the fizzler down the hallway on a straight angle.

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Marlovious
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Posted Jun 06, 2011
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I actually have it working in the first map I made. Marlow's Map v.1
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Kibate
105 Posts
Posted Jun 07, 2011
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Thanks for your help, but it doesn't work either, not on my map nor on yours.
With noclip i got to your part with the rotated fizzler, i got so near that i don't touch it(you can test this by shooting previously a portal somewhere, and then go near the fizzler) but then tried to shot another portal somewhere, doesn't work.

I guess i will have to give up, this thing just wasn't meant to be for some reason.

I got another question if you guys don't mind, why do i have to do a nodraw texture first? I tried it without doing that(making it a fizzler texture from the getgo) in a completely new map and it worked just fine.

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ChickenMobile
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Posted Jun 07, 2011
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chickenmobile wrote:
Nodraw textures should be on every brush face that you cannot see as it drastically improves performance. It also increases visibility when you create your level as you can toggle nodraw texture on and off (i.e. make it invisible) in the hammer editor.

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Kibate
105 Posts
Posted Jun 07, 2011
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Ah, i see (i figured out now how to select just a single side of a brush too)
So thanks a lot guys, though i have to find another method to fix my main problem haha
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Marlovious
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Posted Jun 07, 2011
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Check the flags on the trigger_portal_cleanser and make sure that "Physics Objects" is checked.
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ChickenMobile
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Posted Jun 07, 2011
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Marlovious wrote:
Check the flags on the trigger_portal_cleanser and make sure that "Physics Objects" is checked.

Have you tested what is happening for yourself before you posted? It resets your portals as normal when you walk into the trigger however you cannot place any portals when you are in that space which you should be able to place portals in. And I really doubt that checking a flag for physics objects would help.

The only thing I can think of is splitting up the cleanser into smaller cleansers in order to reduce the 'redzone' square area down. Make sure you click 'ToWorld' and select each brush and change them individually to an cleanser.

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DaMaGepy
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Posted Jun 07, 2011
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chickenmobile wrote:
EDIT: Try putting skip over your grill, as this is what Valve puts over their instancse.

skip is only for positioning the instance.
btw if you rotate a fizzler instance that doesnt work?

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ChickenMobile
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Posted Jun 07, 2011
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I tried all Valve's instances, with no avail. I think it is a bug which they haven't bothered to fix because they didn't need to.