How do different buttons work?

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Kaleido
272 Posts
#67770
Posted Mar 16, 2012
Obviously prop_button is very straightforward, but I've seen (in the real game and in mods) people use those switches that you pull down (I don't know what they're called and can't even find the worldmodel for them) or wall-mounted buttons... I was just wondering how this works because the valve wiki has failed me.

I hope it's as simple as it sounds and I just overlooked something.

edit: to clarify; I need a switch for a tractor beam to reverse directions, and then reverse back when switched again. As it stands, a prop_button only reverses the direction once (with the option of turning on a timer for the switch back). I want to be able to choose when it goes what direction.

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spongylover123
944 Posts
#67774
Posted Mar 16, 2012
Replied 19 minutes later
func_buttons
and a switch model
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Kaleido
272 Posts
#67776
Posted Mar 16, 2012
Replied 9 minutes later
So I just have a func_button play the animation of the switch and the outputs?

Sounds simple enough. Someone find me that damn switch model!

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spongylover123
944 Posts
#67777
Posted Mar 16, 2012
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one is a button, used in the underground and bts maps
models\props_gameplay\push_button.mdl
the other is switch used in the coop maps
models\props_gameplay\circuit_breaker_box.mdl
models\props_gameplay\circuit_breaker_lever.mdl
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Pitkakorvaa
200 Posts
#67797
Posted Mar 17, 2012
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models\props_gameplay\circuit_breaker_box.mdl and models\props_gameplay\circuit_breaker_lever.mdl
Doesn't have animations, so you have to play more with brushes, i.e create func_rotating and parent lever model to the brush.

OnPressed > Door > Open > [Delay]*
OnPressed > func_rotating > Start**
OnPressed > func_rotating > Stop > [Delay]***

choose same delay as lever stops delay, so door opens when lever is fully pulled down.
Stop delay is for lever, when it stops at correct moment
**I don't remember output correctly but you'll find out

That is just quick example for levers, it takes more input/outputs to make more better.

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Spam Nugget
492 Posts
#67799
Posted Mar 17, 2012
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There are many topics out there on those switchs or circuit breakers or whatever you want to call them. search.
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mtxd
5 Posts
#67810
Posted Mar 17, 2012
Replied 4 hours later
You could use the normal prop_button to toggle the direction with logic_relays. One would have an output to set the linearforce to 250, the other to -250. The first would start disabled while the second one would start enabled. Pressing the button would trigger both relays. The relays would then send outputs to disable themselves and enable the other so the direction would be reversed the next time round.
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RustyDios
154 Posts
#67870
Posted Mar 17, 2012
Replied 8 hours later
You could also just use a single logic_branch with the outputs of OnFalse to set the linear force to -250(a negative number) and OnTrue to set the linear force to 250(a positive number). Then have the output of the button to be OnPressed>"your_logic_branch">ToggleTest. Which will switch the current state to the other one and perform the change. You could then also use the same logic_branch and use the input of SetValueTest (0/False or 1/True) to change the direction of the beam directly to what you want from a different button/trigger etc (pressing the original button will still toggle between the "current state" and the "other state")...

For the lever idea you could ToggleTest the branch at door outputs OnFullyOpened/OnFullyClosed, this will ensure that the direction won't change until the switch is moved all the way. (Providing that you can get the parenting of the func and model to look correct). See here for more information on rotating doors and specifically setting the "pivot" point!.((Although for a full 180deg arc for a circuit breaker it may be best to leave the origin in the center of the brush and align the model base to the center/origin point))... And setting the door flag of UseOpens if its placed "nodraw" over your model will make it appear the player has actually used the lever .... You could also use the "Delay Before Reset" of the door to make a timed lever... ...

Hope that helps you and I didn't start rambling too much!?!

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Kaleido
272 Posts
#67871
Posted Mar 17, 2012
Replied 19 minutes later
Ok, I got the lever switch working, but it only triggers once (rotates downward), and then never moves again even though I'm spamming the use button -_-"

All the outputs work, but only once.

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andyb
257 Posts
#67874
Posted Mar 17, 2012
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You would need to change the setting the setting to...Christ I cant remember but the setting something like reversing what you already asked it to do sorta like a on press open/On press close
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RustyDios
154 Posts
#67886
Posted Mar 17, 2012
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Kaleido wrote:
Ok, I got the lever switch working, but it only triggers once (rotates downward), and then never moves again even though I'm spamming the use button -_-"

All the outputs work, but only once.

Well, I'm glad that it at least works once!
I think the issue here (if your using the func_door_rotating idea) is that "UseOpens" obviously does exactly what it says... use opens.. ie use again doesn't close, it opens again... .... .. maybe have two identical func_door_rotating side by side, but mirrored. Have the outputs on both set to do their thing OnFullyOpen and also to close the other one. That way you should always have a "closed" door to open (onuse) .... erm .. now you'll also need to swap the Parent of the Model to the other/sister/mirror door as well... ..

Hell there must be an easier way then all that...
How about trying out this ...

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HMW
806 Posts
#67966
Posted Mar 18, 2012
Replied 17 hours later
Are you using a func_rot_button? That's the one you want for moving the lever, not func_door_rotating or func_rotating. (Sorry if you've already figured this out; I don't see func_rot_button mentioned anywhere in this thread.)

Make sure you parent the moving part of the switch to it, and set the "toggle" flag; that way the player can flip it on and off repeatedly. Use the OnIn and OnOut signals to change the funnel direction. I don't think you need any additional logic control entities, as the toggle function is already built into the button itself.

(The "X axis", "Y axis" and "Distance (deg)" work the same as for the func_door_rotating.)

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Kaleido
272 Posts
#68010
Posted Mar 19, 2012
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I changed it to a func_rot_button but now it doesn't work at all...
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Kaleido
272 Posts
#68291
Posted Mar 21, 2012
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This is what I have... ignore the random shit and crappy textures in that room, I deleted the puzzle elements in order to not spoil what my puzzle is :razz:

Someone either explain to me why this doesn't work, or re-upload a working version pleeeease...

i've tried a bunch of things, and none of them work... the one I posted is with the func_rot_button that... doesn't work either... T_T

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spongylover123
944 Posts
#68294
Posted Mar 21, 2012
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Kaleido wrote:
This is what I have... ignore the random shit and crappy textures in that room, I deleted the puzzle elements in order to not spoil what my puzzle is :razz:

Someone either explain to me why this doesn't work, or re-upload a working version pleeeease...

i've tried a bunch of things, and none of them work... the one I posted is with the func_rot_button that... doesn't work either... T_T

I fixed a lot of things for you.

EDIT: EDITED THE FUNC_BUTTONS

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Kaleido
272 Posts
#68295
Posted Mar 21, 2012
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Are you sure you uploaded the right file? I literally see no difference with my setup and it doesn't work still...
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HMW
806 Posts
#68563
Posted Mar 24, 2012
Replied 2 days later

Kaleido wrote:
Someone either explain to me why this doesn't work, or re-upload a working version pleeeease...

You're almost there, actually. You just need to enable the "use activates" and "touch activates" flags. And you may want to make the button brush a bit larger so it's easier to hit.

Here's a modified version with those changes implemented:

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Kaleido
272 Posts
#68573
Posted Mar 24, 2012
Replied 2 hours later
Oh... "Use activates" ... T_T

That makes me feel so stupid. Note to future self: check flags before asking dumb questions

Thank you soooo much!!!

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

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HMW
806 Posts
#68640
Posted Mar 25, 2012
Replied 14 hours later
Don't feel stupid! I don't believe that there is a more cryptic way to describe what that flag does than "Use activates". (I had to look it up on the VDC again while looking at your file.)

Also minor correction: I wrote "touch activates" above where I meant "toggle" :redface:
But I assume that you figured that one out already :smile:

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