The only problem I have with speedrunners is when they don't try to solve it properly before the start doing that. I like to speedrun myself, but I only try it on my second run through.

Depends on how good the map is for me, if it's really interesting and engaging (PMK 5 for instance) I tend to do the map as intended immediately since I'm really enjoying myself.

If every time I walk into a chamber the solution is obvious within about 10 seconds, then I tend to start noticing things like "Oh hey you can bump through that..." or "Well if I just THREW the box..." and so on hehe.

In my opinion, speedrunners who go outside the map, that's just another form of cheating.

jrlauer wrote:
In my opinion, speedrunners who go outside the map, that's just another form of cheating.

It's just another kind of speed run. You wouldn't compare an out of bounds speed run to a normal speed run, just as you wouldn't compare a tool assisted speed run to a normal speed run. Just as you wouldn't compare speed runs that are segmented (uses saves and loads for optimized routes) to speed runs that are a single segment (straight play through, where routes are often unoptimized in favor of safer, less tricky routes).

But yes, most people do regard it as cheating. I don't really see why it bothers people though, it's not like they're the ones doing it, I've had some people respond to my OOB youtube videos with extremely harsh reactions, as if somehow my going OOB had physically injured them.

@Kich867 and Siiig:
Thanks for the clear explanation! The glitch in chamber 11 is indeed very easy to do. I understand that this works because the second portal has no place to go but onto the part of the wall that is outside the map.

Of course, I went to experiment and I promptly discovered a place in my own map where the edge glitch occurs. It doesn't seem to allow an exploit though, you just get pushed back into the same room. But if you could get past one particular door, you could skip essentially the whole map. I might look into this for a possible future revision.

By the way, it doesn't bother me when people use these techniques; as long as they have fun playing the game, right? (Just don't come complaining to me when a particular puzzle doesn't work because you've skipped a trigger. )

Kich867 wrote:
It's just another kind of speed run. You wouldn't compare an out of bounds speed run to a normal speed run, just as you wouldn't compare a tool assisted speed run to a normal speed run. Just as you wouldn't compare speed runs that are segmented (uses saves and loads for optimized routes) to speed runs that are a single segment (straight play through, where routes are often unoptimized in favor of safer, less tricky routes).

But yes, most people do regard it as cheating. I don't really see why it bothers people though, it's not like they're the ones doing it, I've had some people respond to my OOB youtube videos with extremely harsh reactions, as if somehow my going OOB had physically injured them.

I didn't say that it bothered me I'm just saying that when I do a speedrun I keep it inside the map, so when someone gloats about the fact that they beat my time by 10 or 20 seconds it pisses me off that they think they're so much better because they exploit a bug in the game that I won't.

If you want to speedrun that way, go for it.

jrlauer wrote:
I didn't say that it bothered me I'm just saying that when I do a speedrun I keep it inside the map, so when someone gloats about the fact that they beat my time by 10 or 20 seconds it pisses me off that they think they're so much better because they exploit a bug in the game that I won't.

If you want to speedrun that way, go for it.

That's a fault of the person, not the style. They shouldn't be gloating nor even comparing that run to yours.

To compare a speedrun that involves exploits to one that doesn't is like comparing a race on a bicycle to a motorcycle.

Same road, different tools, no comparison.

Kich867 wrote:
That's a fault of the person, not the style. They shouldn't be gloating nor even comparing that run to yours.

To compare a speedrun that involves exploits to one that doesn't is like comparing a race on a bicycle to a motorcycle.

Same road, different tools, no comparison.

friggen awesome way of putting it IMO.

I am a single segmented no-exploit speedrunner, so it takes me about 30 minutes to finish portal.

Haha, if you cross out the no- part, I'm the same. Segmented stuff annoys me...but like I've said, my purpose here isn't to speed run maps, and gloat about how easy to they are, I really like this community...and completely bending over one of the maps ever now and then ^^

jrlauer wrote:
In my opinion, speedrunners who go outside the map, that's just another form of cheating.

It's cheating, but it's like turning on godmode. "Okay, cool. Good for you." It's a single player game so it's kinda pointless. I agree, I think it's breaking the rules of the game, but it doesn't actually bother me. It's just kinda... lame. Hilarious, but lame.

msleeper wrote:
It's cheating, but it's like turning on godmode. "Okay, cool. Good for you." It's a single player game so it's kinda pointless. I agree, I think it's breaking the rules of the game, but it doesn't actually bother me. It's just kinda... lame. Hilarious, but lame.

It's just that...it's not like turning on god mode. God modes portal equivalent would be noclip, and you already said yourself calling OOB and No Clip the same thing would be stupid ;P

HOLY CRAP MSLEEPER IS BANNED!

msleeper wrote:
It's a single player game so it's kinda pointless.

Sums up my feeling on any "cheats" in Portal. Who cares; it's only ruining it for the one person playing.

msleeper wrote:
It's cheating, but it's like turning on godmode. "Okay, cool. Good for you." It's a single player game so it's kinda pointless. I agree, I think it's breaking the rules of the game, but it doesn't actually bother me. It's just kinda... lame. Hilarious, but lame.

Thank you, you said it better than I did.

Sorry you got banned. See you later?

Hey, mssleeper, while you're here can you update the spotlight?

Kich867 wrote:
... O.o?

I wonder what people will consider cheating next. I'm glad this place isn't the standard hehe.

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Ignore claims of cheating shrug if they don't like it, ask the map makers to make the walls harder to item climb on. Were here to help, and to have fun, we have fun using our glitches. Me and kich love competing with each other, and if you guys don't want to step to our league of competition, quite frankly you wont be missed.

Throwing this here, due to relevance.

I have no idea what you're talking about with "competition", I didn't realize that figuring out engine glitches was serious business. When making a map and learning about exploits such as this, I use it as a tool to fix such exploits.

That said, maybe you missed this.

msleeper wrote:
The poll wasn't serious btw.