07/15/2012 Update: Whoa. So apparently, after all this time, instead of uploading "V2" of the map, I had just re-uploaded the V1 map again! Talk about rookie mistakes!

I've just tried to upload the latest version (from Feb) again. Hopefully I got it right this time. Who knows...

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As much fun as I had creating this map, and as great as I personally think it is, I have to admit that it's full of all kinds of "rookie mistakes"--things I'm sure many people do with their first Portal 2 maps that others look at and think, "Ha, newbie." With that in mind, here are some other names I was inclined to give to this map:

- "Inigo Montoya"
- "Look! BUTTONS!"
- "All that, and LASERS to boot!"
- "Convolution: Occam's Nightmare"
- "Nice gel dispensers. [Sarcasm self-check: Complete]".
- "Two test chambers taped together to look like one
giant test chamber".

The first one is a bit random and has nothing to do with the map itself. It's just the code name I gave to my map during creation: Chamber Inigo and Chamber Montoya. Hence the file name. Enjoy.

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Three months later (!), I'm uploading a second version of the map, in which I try to address some of the rookie mistakes I made in version 1:

* Chamber Inigo (First Chamber): Added extra machinery to try to prevent unwanted solutions.

* Chamber Montoya (Second Chamber): Added extra machinery to try to prevent unwanted solutions. Also, I tweaked the expected solution in a couple of notable ways, after being inspired by Djinndrache's playthrough.

* Overall: Improved the texturing based on the basic rules of texturing mentioned in posts. It's still far from perfect, but things look a lot better than they did before (I think?).

For those who have not played the map yet, be sure to grab this latest version. For those who have already played, I think the look and feel of the map has changed enough that it's worth another playthrough. Especially if you solved the maps in unwanted ways the first time (that means you, Djinndrache

Posted playthroughs, whether blind runs or speed runs or hey-look-another-rookie-bug runs, are much appreciated.

File Name: mp_coop_inigo_montoya_v2.zip
File Size: 4.43 MiB
Click here to download Rookie Mistake

For a first map, it's pretty good. But with the textures, what happened? Did you scale them up a ton? Try using different textures. TIP: Keep your brush size at a multiple of 16. So if you want a block to be 500x500 make it 512x512. It lines the textures up nicely... Just practice you'll get it.

The very first rule of map making
DONT STRETCH THE TEXTURES

Second rule
FOLLOW THE GRID

good puzzle though

I'm playing custom maps and record my first time of playing them. So the run is not perfect and may not use only intended ways, but maybe it can let you see how other people may understand the map or you could just enjoy someone playing this map for entertainment.
Anyways, here is the recording:

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(Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxqKHCQxk1s)

Also note the video description for more feedback and my signature for additional project information.

I'm going to de-compile this map, and fix the textures, then give 100% credit to you

BobbyJEL101 wrote:
But with the textures, what happened?

That Greek Guy wrote:
The very first rule of map making...

Thanks for the feedback. Did I neglect to mention that another title for the map could have been "Texturing? What texturing?" I was focused entirely on the puzzle aspect of the map, and didn't think about texturing except to finding two types of textures: one that's portalable, and one that's not. Just one more thing to add to the list of this map's rookie mistakes...

Djinndrache wrote:
I'm playing custom maps and record my first time of playing them.

Thanks for posting this, Djinndrache! I saw you do this for other maps and was hoping you would do so for this one, as well. It's both enjoyable and revealing to see how other people play the map, so this was great indirect feedback. The way you solved the first chamber, which rendered the propulsion gel and rotating doors completely useless, was not at all what I had expected. In fact, that pretty much killed the entire point of the first test chamber. Doh. As for the second chamber, your approach was an interesting one--though far more complicated (and difficult) than what I had envisioned when I designed it Also, I noticed that you used noclip to pass through one of the doors--for the record, that is not necessary and the door was not in any way intended to be a "puzzle". It's a standard coop-triggered door: All that needs to happen is that both players stand directly in front of it, and then it opens. The door is just a transition between the two chambers.

I wonder if others who have played the map have solved the first chamber in the "expected" way...?

BobbyJEL101 wrote:
I'm going to de-compile this map, and fix the textures, then give 100% credit to you

Hehe, it'd be sweet if you actually fixed the textures--and then took full credit for doing it, that'd be fine with me! My rookie focus was on the puzzle--though as Djinndrache showed with his playthrough, I only marginally succeeded in that...

Thanks to all for taking the time to play the map and give feedback. This rookie has a lot to learn.

Three months later (!), I'm uploading a second version of the map, in which I try to address some of the rookie mistakes I made in version 1:

* Chamber Inigo (First Chamber): Added extra machinery to try to prevent unwanted solutions.

* Chamber Montoya (Second Chamber): Added extra machinery to try to prevent unwanted solutions. Also, I tweaked the expected solution in a couple of notable ways, after being inspired by Djinndrache's playthrough.

* Overall: Improved the texturing based on the basic rules of texturing mentioned in posts. It's still far from perfect, but things look a lot better than they did before (I think?).

For those who have not played the map yet, be sure to grab this latest version. For those who have already played, I think the look and feel of the map has changed enough that it's worth another playthrough. Especially if you solved the maps in unwanted ways the first time (that means you, Djinndrache

Posted playthroughs, whether blind runs or speed runs or hey-look-another-rookie-bug runs, are much appreciated.

File Name: mp_coop_inigo_montoya.zip
File Size: 4.43 MiB
Rookie Mistake

> I'm uploading a second version of the map

And 10 days later...silence. I guess that's that! Something about this non-trivial (but not too difficult), decent looking (but not spectacular), not too short (but not terribly long), NNSR (No Ninja Skills Required) map apparently left the masses uninterested and/or unimpressed. Maybe that's the destiny of a version 2? Or maybe I just failed. (That's probably it.) Not with a bang, but a whimper.

Ah well, I enjoyed learning how to make a Portal 2 map, anyway. And when life gives you lemons...well...go talk to Cave Johnson.

How do this jump on 4:29 in video?

ReikoRaph wrote:
How do this jump on 4:29 in video?

Sorry for the delayed response.

That jump as done in the video (4:29) was not part of the intended solution, and it has been removed from version 2 of the map. I never heard if Djinndrache played v2, but the intended solution does not require any fancy ninja skills like that You should be able to accomplish the jump using a completely different tactic (which requires use of the propulsion gel).

Were you able to figure out the solution after your post?

We are completely stuck at this.

Apparently, the laser activates when both of us are standing on the 'pressure plates' and this keeps the door towards the faith plate open. However, one of us is supposed to gain momentum between the walls activated by the floor button and then fly towards that door, so we can't keep the laser activated when he needs to get through the door.

We also noticed the glass pane with the two 'pressure plate indicators'. In Djinndrache's walkthrough of V1, it opens when one pressure plate is activated. However, in this new V2, it doesn't open at all. We tried standing on the floor button, standing on the pressure plates, nothing. Either we completely fail at seeing how this glass pane can be opened, or it is broken.

A little explanation would help!

Thanks for the post!

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A little explanation would help!

Your assessment of the puzzle in the first chamber is exactly correct. The key thing to figure out is precisely what you asked: How do you keep the laser activated when [one of you] needs to get through the door by the faith plate? That's the trick

Here's a hint: The person on the 'pressure plate' by the rotating doors needs to activate his plate after gaining momentum. The rotating doors are timed accordingly. The faith plate door is open for an admittedly short period of time, but once you figure out the solution, that should be long enough.

As for your second observation, are you referring to the first chamber, and to the glass pane near the corner, beneath where the source of the laser is? (There are two indicator lights behind the glass, facing each other on opposite walls)? If so, that door won't open until you solve the first problem above--i.e. until you successfully reach the faith plate. So start there, and I think it'll follow pretty clearly after that (the faith plate is the real core of the puzzle).

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Either we completely fail at seeing how this glass pane can be opened, or it is broken.

I don't think it's broken, you just have to solve the faith-plate question first. If you could post a video playthrough, that would be awesome (I'm dying for someone to post a playthrough of V2), but either way, I'm really glad you've played this map and offered some feedback.

So THANK YOU!

(And if you'd like a more detailed hint, let me know.)

All right then, we'll give it another try. Thanks for the response!

Hmm. According to my calculations, someone recently rated the map a "2" but gave no justification. Not helpful.

I'm going to assume that either a) the person accidentally played version 1, or b) the person was unable to solve version 2, and rated it poorly in frustration...

Someone else rated it a "5". I'm going to assume that that person found (and appreciated) the solution

The guys at CoopCrowd accepted the challenge to do what no man, woman, or child has managed to do thus far: complete a blind playthrough of v2 and post a recording. I told them ahead of time what others have told me: namely, that due to an unfortunate (and extreme) lack of indicator lights, the level of difficulty is actually REALLY STINKING HARD. Their attempt can be found starting ~40:00, ending at ~1:23:00, from this link:

http://www.twitch.tv/coopcrowd/b/335345815

Did they succeed? Well, if you define "succeed" as totally glitching the first chamber due to a(nother) silly rookie mapping bug (unintentional portable surface...(ack!)), and then giving up before starting the second chamber because it was just too hard...then Yes, they "succeeded"

It's not exactly the playthrough I wanted to include here, but since it's the only v2 recording anyone in the world has bothered to post, and since it's entertaining to watch (even if the intended solution remains unknown), I thought I'd post it anyway. I enjoyed watching it, at least.

And maybe, somewhere, some time, some great hero will actually figure out the intended solution and post a recording. Maybe. Probably not. But maybe.

In any event, THANKS Henry and Wills.