Where did kizzmeister say that quote in your sig exactly? I'm assuming he hasn't kept up on current affairs if he thinks anyone "has me on a leash". Does shitstain realize we had, like, the Kizzycocoa Award during our last 2 contests? For the worst maps entered? In the 2011 contest? Because that was a thing.

Maybe brobro hasn't considered that the reason we don't have shitty WAT IS HAMMER WAT DO threads is because, I don't know, mission successful? That the culture of "bring your quality content, keep your rock bashing elsewhere" that I've worked to develop here has stuck? It's definitely not that we're nice to everyone who releases a map or can't figure out their own problems or vomits into Hammer and releases it. Probably my favorite "making fun of dumb people"-ism is newly registered users have the rank "i dont know what brush is but i herd it alot". That's real, I didn't make that up. That is a quote. Someone actually said that.

I am literally offended at the notion that someone thinks I would listen and/or care if anyone - including Valve - told me to "play nice". Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck anyone who disagrees with me.

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THIS EMOTE MEANS "WHATEVER YOU POSTED / UPLOADED WAS SO BAD I WANT TO KILL MYSELF" AND IT'S BEEN AROUND FOREVER

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ALSO THIS ONE

AHHHH I HATE DUMB KIDS WHO CAN'T USE A BRAIN

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I wrote this almost 3 years ago to the day and I stand by every god damned word I wrote to this day. Fuck that kid is dumb.

Wow quite a unique "rank" for kizzycocoa there. Looks like TWP has had its turbulent times.

msleeper wrote:
[lot of kinda swearwords here]

indeed...

Wow sleeper! I had to check out all of those posts in order to at least figure out a minimum portion of where is all that explosion coming from, maddam! Also I guess that guy's signature "... the only reason TWP is so tame is because VALVe practically has MSleeper on a leash through the community, as it SHOULD have been ages ago. there's no way he's going to step out of line anytime soon." is only one of the reasons for this post...

Well, I would like to say something here (and I urge to anyone who reads it to not take it as if I was sucking up to the boss...) All I know from this boss (sleeper) is that she is a damn bad-ass lady! Indeed I think many times she goes too hard on ppl, so that about the leash and stuff is a nonsense. I had to learn myself to be carefull with her btw and watch my tongue!

Said all that, I really think this is by far the best Portal game site and she, and the rest staff, is really doing an awesome work here. I am also sometimes a bit hard with some ppl, but only because they drive anyone crazy! I'm participating in the forum for 1 year only now... I can't wonder what does it has to be dealing each single day managing this site along all these years with such those many kinds of ppl coming & going...

Xtreger wrote:
Wow quite a unique "rank" for kizzycocoa there. Looks like TWP has had its turbulent times.

Absolutely unique indeed! (and literally unique ...lol)

After he started believing I am an insane guy whose life revolves around fanfics, after I blocked him on one website, he would try to reach me on another one.

That is all there really is to say on the matter.

Yeah Pipeline is a god damned moron.

I think a private message would have been more suitable for this to be honest.

Given the fact that kizzycocoa is 1.) banned and 2.) absolutely reading this, I disagree. Also I want to make sure anyone who for whatever reason thinks that the community here is lacking teeth knows it's not the case.

Well, that was an interesting outburst to read. Not that I disagree with you or anything your completely in line for talking shit about him/her. By the look of things kizzy was acting as though you didn't know how to run the place and if that were the case then the site wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is today. I mean yes, at times there is crude language towards others but damn that is just life! There is an age old saying that goes "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. This is true so even if someone gets insulted that's no reason to hate on the ones who make the insult, that just complicates things.

I don't believe that Valve has leash on anyone. How could they? Are they going to ban the sites creator from her own site? I don't think so.

I personally know how frustrating it is to have someone act as though they know all and then overreact when they are told they are wrong. It annoys me to no end because they just try to carry it on and on.

To be honest I don't know whether or not I'm even going the right direction with this whole post. In fact I normally try to stray away from saying anything to most people with red or green names on this site in case I say something stupid and get myself hated banned or maybe even worse. Just like Jose I'm not trying to suck up to the boss around here, I'm just stating my personal opinion on the matter.

Xtreger wrote:
Wow quite a unique "rank" for kizzycocoa there. Looks like TWP has had its turbulent times.

Seeing this made my day, kizzy deserved that.

msleeper wrote:
Yeah Pipeline is a god damned moron.

Isn't he the guy that tried to demand a topic get closed down? If so, than I agree.

It always makes me laugh when people try to argue with the moderators/creator of a forum. I mean why do it? .... They have SO much more power then the simple "common" poster. There is always a GOOD reason why those people have ~become~ moderators. They were not just simply put into that position of power because they have lunch with the creator (or some other off-site friendly function thing)...

Long story of me waffling on with my thoughts
||The moderators are there because they have demonstrated across time and countless examples that they know what they are talking about. They have earned the position in the eyes of the community that visits/uses the forum. The final decision laying in the hands of the creator.

But, sometimes they need to be asked and shaken a bit too! They are just human afterall. If you don't agree with something the moderators/creator/other member has done then you should be asking why that did that, why they said that and thinking about your own responses. Are they being a d*ck to you because you were a big one to them first and didn't even notice?... I'll say now I've done this, here on these forums ((an entire argument with Fracture that they didn't deserve, just because I hated being called a nOOb?... well guess what... I'm a nOOb when it comes to Hammer!))

Also though, it does sometimes bring the question... who moderates the moderators? Who corrects the creator ?

I believe that anyone could really argue against msleeper if they wanted, if they had good reason to and good explanations for and against any statement...but, at the end of day ** it is her site! **, and if you don't like the decisions made then go elsewhere! And let us not forget that the site is an unpaid, voluntary line of work... it takes a lot to run a site of this magnitude and it has become a site of this magnitude because of the people that are running it. Where would we all be without the site, the forums, the links, the d/l database, the help.

For someone to say that this site (and its creator) is "on a leash to Valve" is just so wrong. That person really doesn't get the site at all. The site pays homage and honours to Valve for a great game(s). But is by no means on a leash. If it were then, all the "little mistakes by Valve" that are mentioned wouldn't be here. All the ways to break/change/edit your Portal folders wouldn't be here. All the tweaks and help for doing things Hammer isn't meant to do wouldn't be here. HMW's entire puzzle creator editoritems hak stuff would be removed. (Because the editor/Hammer/Valve would be seen and shown to be perfect as it is!)... etc etc...

You can even bet that msleeper has argued against and possibly banned people FROM Valve on this site. We know that Valve hang out here too. Valve does this because the site is not biased to them, not on a leash, and most of the members show honest feedback. Which is great for Valve too. Helps them make better games and software. Possibly even saves them a ton of cash in aftermarket feedback and follow up too etc etc

Kizzy's status thing is possibly over the top, personally I wouldn't know. I've not had to deal with them. I trust the moderators/creator to know this though from dealing with them. But, if that happened to me I wouldn't be shouting and arguing at the person that did it. I'd be seriously asking myself how I could change my behaviour so it doesn't happen again!||

Long story short we shouldn't be hating each other but trying to resolve differences and learn from past mistakes to become better people and better mappers. If your really not liking how someone is trying to help you, then apologise and leave gracefully before you get banned in shame.

RustyDios wrote:
Long story short we shouldn't be hating each other but trying to resolve differences and learn from past mistakes to become better people and better mappers. If your really not liking how someone is trying to help you, then apologise and leave gracefully before you get banned in shame.

Hiding in a hole won't help you either. It is ok to speak out but being blatently rude about it isn't the way to go.

Many times here I've seen people argue with posters that are trying to help them which then result in:
- The original problem not getting solved- More problems being created- Frustration- Possible moderator interference and/or locking of threads
TWP however is a wonderful community and I love helping people out here. Neurotoxin enabled

P.S. You go sleeper!

Well on the who moderates the moderators:
I encourage everyone to do so. If you think a moderator made a bad decision just sent them a pm and explain why you think they are wrong. We're people after all too.

If you think we make mistakes, please tell us so we can see if we can do anything about it. For example there have been complaints about the rating system: we're working on that.
The spotlights that were spotlighted for too long: fixed, now with a random new spotlight every week!
The youtube code had a lot of problems because people didn't know how to use it: we added a more flexible youtube code.

These are of course only technical things but it really shows that we as twp staff do care about the poeple who visit this website and want to help them. However there are some people that refuse to listen. Learning hammer is often a case of learning from your mistakes and listening to people and take their advice and use it to improve your skills.

If someone posts a picture with misaligned textures a lot of people will tell you that and point you out that you should fix that. Then you can use the search function and see that it's quite easy. If you refuse to listen and just continue mapping and you show a screenshot a lot later and people still see the same misaligned textures it gets frustrating: people spent time to give mappers advice on how to improve their maps and it's just ignored.

This website is not run by or controlled by valve. We can do what we want.
We choose to respect valve: we allow any thing that adds more awesomeness to portal 2 (including omnicoder's gel even though it is supposed to be removed by valve) but we won't allow illegal versions of portal 2. Questions about that will result in getting you banned from these forums. This has nothing to do with "being on a leash" by valve, it is about respect for a company that build a wonderful game. (in fact a hell of a lot awesome games)

chickenmobile wrote:
Hiding in a hole won't help you either. It is ok to speak out but being blatently rude about it isn't the way to go.

Yeah good point.

lpfreaky90 wrote:
stuff LPFreaky90 wrote

Agree entirely. I wasn't trying to insult/diss the moderators with the "who watches the watchmen" comment. I was just trying to point out that you guys (and girls) are a) awesome b) knowledgeable c) here to help d) doing it all voluntarily and e) human, like the rest of us!

We all make mistakes. It's how we learn, deal with and progress from them that makes a difference.

And on a slightly smaller note.... going back to hide in my hole now

This quote was taken from a conversation me and Kizzy were having because he felt I was attacking him personally in posts on an anonymous relaunched Portal fan forum. One way or another it lead into me explaining as diplomatically as I could why the shenanigans happened from my point of view. He replied with this. Anyone who remembers Kizzy will know there are paragraphs more that I could quote, but I think everybody has made their point. I don't tolerate shit-talking behind people's backs.

Jomonay wrote:
This quote was taken from a conversation me and Kizzy were having because he felt I was attacking him personally in posts on an anonymous relaunched Portal fan forum. One way or another it lead into me explaining as diplomatically as I could why the shenanigans happened from my point of view. He replied with this. Anyone who remembers Kizzy will know there are paragraphs more that I could quote, but I think everybody has made their point. I don't tolerate shit-talking behind people's backs.

Maybe the problem is in "because he felt I was attacking him personally".

Quote:
"... the only reason TWP is so tame is because VALVe practically has MSleeper on a leash through the community, as it SHOULD have been ages ago. there's no way he's going to step out of line anytime soon."

As you can read in the disclaimer below:
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### WE ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH VALVE.

Also we're not tame: if someone is a moron, acts like a moron they will get treated like one. If posts are too insulting moderators might step in and make it a bit less harsh but that's a call of the moderators. That's what they're supposed to do: keep the peace, for the sake of a nice community.

Unfortunately KizzyKoa apparently was a moron, I wasn't there, so I don't really know. But he's still pissed at this community. Msleeper has been pretty vocal about it so "behind someone's back" isn't really the case is it?

And if you build a good, nice and successful community would you leave because someone got upset that you banned and/or insulted him/her for not learning from their mistakes?

KizzyKoa was ridiculed because he refused to acknowledge that his talents were far below what he imagined they were. It's one thing to be bad and know you're bad and work to be better. It's another to be bad and delude yourself and everyone around you that you're awesome.

KizzyKoa was banned because, as anyone who has talked to him for more than 30 seconds will know, he takes everything said to him way too seriously and again refused to acknowledge that he acted like an immature bratty tryhard. A great songwriter once sung, "if you're gonna be dumb, you've gotta be tough."

Anyone who doubts either of these claims, I invite you to look through his post history. Highlights, in my mind, were him annoucing his project (with the mythical, grandiose list of features such as coop, DM, zombies, etc.) as "WIP" without a single shred of work begun. In fact I'm almost pretty sure he had barely learned how to use Hammer when he posted up his thread.

Both of those things go for anyone who visits here. But unlike 6,345 other current members at the time of this posting, nobody but him seems to care or make such a big deal 3+ years after the fact. Everyone else seems content to grow up, learn from mistakes, and move on. My mostly baseless guess for this is because he enjoys the attention; I say "mostly" if for no other reason than the fact that he added a "controversy" section to his project's VDC page. Personally I can't think of any reason someone would do this other than to attract drama-slash-attention, but that's just one person's guess.

Now the obvious irony here is, "but msleeper, why haven't you grown up, learned from misaktes, and moved on?" to which I have a two part answer. For one, the only mistake I've made is not shutting down the failure of a project called Portal: Access All Areas sooner and thereby probably preventing a lifetime of ridicule for the poor kid.

And two, well, because I'm a cynical misanthropic son of a bitch, and every court needs a jester.

lpfreaky90 wrote:
Also we're not tame: if someone is a moron, acts like a moron they will get treated like one. If posts are too insulting moderators might step in and make it a bit less harsh but that's a call of the moderators. That's what they're supposed to do: keep the peace, for the sake of a nice community.

Unfortunately KizzyKoa apparently was a moron, I wasn't there, so I don't really know. But he's still pissed at this community. Msleeper has been pretty vocal about it so "behind someone's back" isn't really the case is it?

And if you build a good, nice and successful community would you leave because someone got upset that you banned and/or insulted him/her for not learning from their mistakes?

I think you've misunderstood, I'm not advocating what Kizzy is saying at all. Far from it, actually.

As much as I love the new sig, it's way too tall. Get rid of the quote boxes and use bold / italic lines and you should be under limit. Or get rid of your link.

msleeper wrote:
As much as I love the new sig, it's way too tall. Get rid of the quote boxes and use bold / italic lines and you should be under limit. Or get rid of your link.

What can I say, I'm a repeat offender. Sorted Also this topic sould probably be locked.

Best place as any to show off a new emote.

Great! Emmm... only wanted to try it! What I like most is the given name between ::, stopmapping. Awesome.